Vacant_Planets
Queen Nicole
Honestly "Not ready to lead" = Not a MILLION years old. After people made fun of McCain's age he started trying to use it to his advantage, though it should be easy to see through.
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Honestly "Not ready to lead" = Not a MILLION years old. After people made fun of McCain's age he started trying to use it to his advantage, though it should be easy to see through.
nailz
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I really don't think we'd be taxed any worse under Obama. After all, when we're kicked out of Iraq (mostly), we'll be saving a shitton of money, and it's not like Bush and the republicans did much to help with the taxes thing, taking us from our huge surplus to a virtually insurmountable deficit. We have to make up the difference SOMEHOW, and I think taxing oil companies and corporations is a good idea.
And if we're going to get hit with higher taxes by Barak, can someone show me in his plan (which is clearly posted on his website) where that is? All I've heard is that I am going to have my taxes cut. I think the whole "RAISING TAXES" argument is the rich and the corporation machine feeding you bullshit.
And if we're going to get hit with higher taxes by Barak, can someone show me in his plan (which is clearly posted on his website) where that is? All I've heard is that I am going to have my taxes cut. I think the whole "RAISING TAXES" argument is the rich and the corporation machine feeding you bullshit.
nailz
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And McCain couldn't even cut it in the Navy. He comes from a line of Generals or some such, and he couldn't hack it to keep up with his Fore-fathers, so he turned to a life in the senate, and now is trying to be president. I mean, clearly.. If you can't get it done in the navy, where can you?
Its quite clear in his plan who will have higher taxes under Barack. And yes, its the wealthy. And yes its a shitty thing. We are talking about -much- higher taxes for people. Its ridiculous.
Vacant_Planets
Queen Nicole
Much higher taxes for people who can afford much higher taxes?.....that.....makes.....sense......
And Bush always said "Read my lips: No new taxes" and went on to raise taxes. You can promise all you want in a campaign but when push comes to shove most presidents will never accomplish what they set out for. Yes, pulling out of Iraq will save some money. A shame we'll have to put most of that into defense research for the new Cold War brewing. His plan will actually increase the deficit (McCains is no better and will actually do so even more) and he wants to pay for stuff like universal healthcare? Not going to happen.
freakchylde
PPUSA Driver o' Doom!!!!!
Yeah, after having your arms repeatedly dislocated from their shoulder joints and various other forms of torture, it kinda limits your ability to hack it in your military job.
That said...in response to the question....I thought the speeches were great, was almost moved to tears by Michelle's speech, till the thought in the back of my head said, "but you say all this about you and your husband, and neither of you can back it up with any action." Which kinda shot those tears to hell. The crap spewed for the Kennedy's "strokefest" made me want to shoot my tv. I'm glad he's an advocate, but I don't see him giving up his summer home or allowing a windfarm off the coast of his summer home any time soon. Again, nice to see he talks about things a lot, would just like to see some action to go behind those words. Loved Hil when she first came on the scene, but again, failure to stick to her word - like most politicians, so what she says tends to go in one ear and out the other.
As for Obama's plans for change, well, they change every 5 minutes and the only way you can keep up with them is to RSS his website. Anyone who makes that many changes to their plan (and they're not just tweaks) has no clear cut idea as to what they want to do. It reminds me of the Pinkie and the Brain skit, where they're trying to sell something via an infomercial and use all the buzzwords without telling anyone exactly what they're selling.
Along with that, his voting record in both the IL congress and the Hill are not all that full (sorry, voting present does not count as a vote to me). If I'm going to vote for someone, I'd prefer they have the balls to pick a side and stick with it and be able to back up their reason for that side. Otherwise, lots of talk, no action. Idealism is nice, but does nothing for you if you have no means to implement it into a working practice (gods my dad would be thrilled to hear me say that).
freakchylde
PPUSA Driver o' Doom!!!!!
Not exactly. I'm sorry, but I don't believe that just because someone THINKS you can afford something, you actually can. Obama's tax plan, as it stands, includes capitol gains taxes. Got a 401K? When you start withdrawing from that, guess what's going to hit you? Obama's taxes. My mum just retired, and if he manages to get his tax plan through Congress, she's going to be paying higher taxes on her retirement fund. Not something I consider cool by any stretch of the imagination. People who work hard for a higher pay, deserve the money they get and deserve to keep as much of it as they can, just as those on the bottom deserve to keep as much money as they can. Just because you're rich, doesn't give the government the right to say, "You don't deserve this money, someone else does, so we're going to take it and redistribute it." They tried that in Russia, and look where it got them? A really, really poor class and a bunch of rich government officials.
That assumes that people should pay much higher taxes. Sure they can 'afford' it without going bankrupt, but your assumption that they should is juvenile.
I at this point have no clue who I will vote for, or if I will just vote independent, but I do have to take issue with this statement about not being able to cut it in the Navy. Yes his father and grandfather were both admirals in the Navy, his Grandfather commanded one of the largest and most powerful carrier task forces in WWII, and His Father was CINPAC( Admiral in command of the Pacific fleet. Yes John McCain retired with 23 years of Naval service as a Captain(what we call 0-6) his father was an 0-10 but he spent over 30 years in service. Why was McCain's Navy career cut short? Medical disabilities he suffered from being shot down over North Vietnam, and tortued and abused by the North Vietnanese. Upon release after 5 years he underwent many surgeries to repair the damage and injuries inflicted upon him. Do I think this makes him capable of leading, no I don't. But I just wanted to set the record straight that he could hack it in the Navy, and did, but his medical disabilities prevented him from a 30 or 35 year career.
The Invisible Guest
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Not to mention that he stood by that whole "first one in, first one out" belief when he could have easily gotten out of there earlier.
The Invisible Guest
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You can't question the guys courage, or his patriotism .. I agree.
You can though question his smarts ... he finished 894th out of 899 at the Naval Academy. He's said to be a bit of a dim bulb with about as much intellectual inquisitiveness as our current President.
We deserve better than that. Being a great soldier is different than being a great leader. McCain doesn't hold up his end on that latter part.
Britt
rockyracoon
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So, we need someone with military experience to lead a country where the majority has never/will never serve in the military in any capacity? McCain's military background alone makes it difficult for him to represent the masses, especially if that way of thinking will be the driving force behind his decision making.
Regarding Ronald Reagan...thank you! I got a great ab workout from that laugh. Reagan and George W. Bush collectively couldn't pass a 9th grade spelling test. They represent the 4 most intellectually void presidential terms in our nation's history. Reagan created problems that most of us will not live long enough to see solved. Bush has done the same. And leadership? Reagan's already inferior brain was already deteriorating from alzheimer's towards the end of his term, and Nancy was the one pulling the strings. Clinton was a philanderer who often came across as a slick used car salesman, but at least the country was doing well.
Yippee38
Living the dream!
Do you have any idea what it takes to get into the Naval Academy? Any idea what it takes to get through it successfully? Based on the fact that he graduated from there, I'd guess that he's smarter than 90% of the population (of whom most are either morons or are too lazy to think for themselves).
BTW, a Captain is a position of leadership. A Lieutenant is a position of leadership. Captain has much more responsibility and authority than that.
freakchylde
PPUSA Driver o' Doom!!!!!
The one thing that I do like about him (not that it's going to gain him my vote), but he has no problem with saying, "this is what I think the facts are, but I can't recall exactly so let me get back to you on that." I would rather have someone who knows their limits and knows when to seek out help than someone who thinks they can save the world on their own. So whether that ability makes him a dim bulb or not, at least he knows to add someone else in where his ability is lacking.
Actually. Probably not much. With his heritage it was probably a given that he'd get in if he so desired.
I don't think anyone on this forum or any where has ever said that military service is a prerequisite to be president. Does it help? I don't know. Would i vote for someone that has never served, yes i would, if I thought he could lead this country. So let's take the military aspect out and focus on leadership, and who can successfully bring this country together and regain the respect in the world.
The Invisible Guest
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The Invisible Guest
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McCain had to use the "I'll get back to you bit" when he was asked how many homes he has. The guy didn't even know how many homes he has (turns out it was 7 or 8) .. he's completely out of touch with a good majority of this country who are struggling to make their payments .. on one home no less.
Britt
