the FBI closes Megaupload
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Jarkko Mattheiszen
The FU guy.
^ Not cool. Yes, that was an utterly moronic post, at least considering the forum he posted it in, but dude.
drew_drummer
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Jrich4967
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I will say this much, if I was a programmer and worked hours and hours on a program and people started pirating it, after a SHIT TON of people already bought it, I would, if fact, NOT be pissed off. I would actually almost take it as a compliment. Like Bill Gates said about piracy, I would rather have them download my programs illegally than using others. I would take downloading of my bands album as a compliment as well. My shit is actually good enough that a ton of people want to buy enough. I know some of you might say that it isn't good enough to buy then, but really, I have pirated music of bands I absolutely fucking LOVE. Not because I don't respect them, but because I was a poor little kid who couldn't afford music. But you know damn well that I promoted the fuck out of those bands to at least 100 different people. It is the word of mouth that makes companies bigger. If everyone has access to these plugins and can vouch how awesome they are, the people who can afford it will buy it. Hell, if they are good enough, people will make sure they pay for it when they can. Then again, this is all just me personally. I don't know how many other people will promote programs and music like I do.
And to the people who are going to be all "HURR DURR YOU NVR PR0GR4MED B4!!!" I, in fact, have written programs before. Not crazy intense ones, but still.
Also, does it piss anyone off that textbook companies, like many audio plugin makers, release the same exact shit with a changed picture and new fonts, for even more money? just curious.
And to the people who are going to be all "HURR DURR YOU NVR PR0GR4MED B4!!!" I, in fact, have written programs before. Not crazy intense ones, but still.
Also, does it piss anyone off that textbook companies, like many audio plugin makers, release the same exact shit with a changed picture and new fonts, for even more money? just curious.
drew_drummer
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Jrich4967
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Computer, and like most others here, Local music scene
Edit: That awkward moment when you are waiting to see how everyone is going to ream your ass for your personal thoughts.....hahaha
Edit: That awkward moment when you are waiting to see how everyone is going to ream your ass for your personal thoughts.....hahaha
drew_drummer
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Hmm. Well... software piracy takes money out of my pocket. Maybe I'm a bit more sensitive to it than yourself.
Jrich4967
Member
What software do you develop? Or how does it affect you?
Also, if these companies would just throw everyone a bone and give away shit for free very now and then, more people would be inclined to buy it. For instance, on a small scale version, I think it was Lasse who gave a snare sample away, and it inclined me to buy those drum sample when I get the money
Also, if these companies would just throw everyone a bone and give away shit for free very now and then, more people would be inclined to buy it. For instance, on a small scale version, I think it was Lasse who gave a snare sample away, and it inclined me to buy those drum sample when I get the money
drew_drummer
Dancefap
Music software. I work in the QA department for a fairly well known company. People pirating our stuff and then doing their best to spread the good word does not help pay the bills, everyone's wages, or put food in any of our bellies, or put guitars in our hands after a 40-50hour week.
I'm not gonna ream you. I'm tired of doing that as well. It's just disappointing that so many people are so short-sighted when it comes to this stuff.
We shouldn't need legislation. Paying for what you use is just the decent thing to do.
*in an ideal world*
Jrich4967
Member
Think of it from another market's point of view compared to thiamin. If someone was going to charge you an INSANE price to clean your carpet, you would rather go the route of getting it free, or waaaaaayyyy cheaper. Its just about going another route that may seem more logical.
Melb_shredder
Orpheus: Melodic Death
You're not wrong by THAT definition, but you're wrong about how you're comparing it..
Getting something cheaper elsewhere etc becomes a (But this engineer will do it cheaper) and that's more relating to competition in the market etc. Different companies/ persons doing a similar job but are mutually independant and are each chargin a rate for their services etc.
Your FREE option is in regards to pirating something. Which actually means that you're looking to steal Company A's expensive equipment and methods and just do it yourself without ever having ackowledged or reimbursed Company A despite benefitting from their knowledge and work, not anyone elses. That's more how this works.
Make sense??
drew_drummer
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You and others have leveled the charge of insane prices, and in some cases that may be true. But for the vast majority of software out there, you're looking at a $99 - $299 price bracket.
How much are we all paying for XBOX's and PS3's and the assosciated games and addons for them? How much do you spend on beer a week? Chinese take-away? Guitar pedals, guitar strings, microphone stands, band practice, amplifiers, bottled water... whatever it is... you buy it.
So what is so different about software that people think they can just share it and not pay anything for it? If something is just too expensive, you don't walk into a shop and just take it... or maybe you do???
If it's too expensive... buy something else. But trying to justify this theft as flattering, a compliment, or "just the way of things" ... well dude... it's just weak as piss.
When I was a student and I wanted drums, I couldn't afford Superior or BFD1 at the time. So I got Addictive Drums. I did some okay stuff with it... it didn't really compare to the other two packages, but I worked within my means. Likewise with my guitar... it was a shitty AXL strat copy, with nasty ass single-coil pickups. I eventually got into a position where I could afford better stuff.
Jrich4967
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okay guys, i just wrote for like 15 minutes on my phone in reply to this thread, and then the page randomly closed, so give me a minute to respond completely again.
I knew right after i posted it that it a shitty analogy, but it can somewhat kind of get the point across, to an extent.
and to Drew, for me personally, i never buy anything that i don't need. occasionally i will treat myself, like once every 6 months. I dont want to sound like a whiney little bitch, because im not trying to come off that way at all, but i was very poor growing up. my mom was a single mother of 3 kids, and when i was 10 years old, we had to live in a homeless shelter for a month, and the recovery from that has been rough, and it still affects us financially. We still down have any money. So i absolutely hate seeing kids and people want something so bad that they have to steal it because they CANT afford it. I know what it is like to be in that situation. It is almost unfair in a sense. people are born into poverty and it is way harder to get out of it now than it was even like 6 years ago. I guess people could call me a communist in a sense, because i believe that everyone should have equal access to this kind of stuff. Money shouldn't separate one from being able to pursue their dream. I mean, if you can afford it and you pirate it, fuck you. and Jeff, some of the stuff is insanely priced, regardless of piracy. i would never buy SSD, and god knows you cant find that on torrents. I never justified theft by naming it as a compliment btw. and i never said i compared prices to getting it for free
Also, i can see the logic behind sofware would be cheaper if there wasnt piracy, but then again, it isnt like physical stuff you can shoplift out of a store. they dont have to cover the physical product loss. i also could say most of the people who torrent wouldnt normally buy the software in the first place, so that wouldnt really count as a lost sale. you wouldnt even have to replace what was copied.
also, i understand the concept of needing capital to start a company, but if you dont have enough money to start out with all completely pro stuff that you HAVE to start out with, nobody is going to take you seriously, and you wont grow as a company. people want to be on the safe side and not have their lives completely fucked up because they invested in SSD, S2.0, Waves Platinum/diamond/mercury/venus/sun, and a decent recording interface with some OK recording software. if i told you to do that you would be like, youre fuckin dumb.
I knew right after i posted it that it a shitty analogy, but it can somewhat kind of get the point across, to an extent.
and to Drew, for me personally, i never buy anything that i don't need. occasionally i will treat myself, like once every 6 months. I dont want to sound like a whiney little bitch, because im not trying to come off that way at all, but i was very poor growing up. my mom was a single mother of 3 kids, and when i was 10 years old, we had to live in a homeless shelter for a month, and the recovery from that has been rough, and it still affects us financially. We still down have any money. So i absolutely hate seeing kids and people want something so bad that they have to steal it because they CANT afford it. I know what it is like to be in that situation. It is almost unfair in a sense. people are born into poverty and it is way harder to get out of it now than it was even like 6 years ago. I guess people could call me a communist in a sense, because i believe that everyone should have equal access to this kind of stuff. Money shouldn't separate one from being able to pursue their dream. I mean, if you can afford it and you pirate it, fuck you. and Jeff, some of the stuff is insanely priced, regardless of piracy. i would never buy SSD, and god knows you cant find that on torrents. I never justified theft by naming it as a compliment btw. and i never said i compared prices to getting it for free
Also, i can see the logic behind sofware would be cheaper if there wasnt piracy, but then again, it isnt like physical stuff you can shoplift out of a store. they dont have to cover the physical product loss. i also could say most of the people who torrent wouldnt normally buy the software in the first place, so that wouldnt really count as a lost sale. you wouldnt even have to replace what was copied.
also, i understand the concept of needing capital to start a company, but if you dont have enough money to start out with all completely pro stuff that you HAVE to start out with, nobody is going to take you seriously, and you wont grow as a company. people want to be on the safe side and not have their lives completely fucked up because they invested in SSD, S2.0, Waves Platinum/diamond/mercury/venus/sun, and a decent recording interface with some OK recording software. if i told you to do that you would be like, youre fuckin dumb.
JeffTD
Senhor Testiculo
The only reason people think that software is "insanely expensive" is because they can get it illegally for free. If it weren't for piracy, we'd look at things and go 'yeah, that's a fair market value." It's unfair to base the fairness of a price based on how cheap it is to outright steal it.
I'll even go so far as to argue that without piracy software would be even cheaper, for a number of reasons.
I'll even go so far as to argue that without piracy software would be even cheaper, for a number of reasons.
Lon
smash that.
People seem to not get the concept of investment anymore, you wanna start a company? You need funds to get your feet off the ground.
You wanna be a above-bedroom-level producer who achieves professional quality? Get money to get your feet off the ground, how is up to you... I just upgraded my ghetto bedroom studio to being just a bedroom studio (c what i did thar?) because i know i need to take a leap i'll maybe regret moneywise or regret more for never have tried.
drew_drummer
Dancefap
But y'know something else... the vast majority of people out there just buybuybuybuy, or downloaddownloaddownload... they never actually take the time to LEARN how to do something.
I'm only 27, so I'm talking out my arse slightly. But back in the old days, someone would buy a 909 and a 303... or maybe a SH101... and they'd RAPE that shit. They'd rinse it sooooo hard, they knew it inside out.
Today?? You've got crap like EZmix, which just devalues the whole concept of production. Yeah yeah yeah, I know... "musicians just want to make music.." fuck that. There are no musicians anymore. To make music in this day and age, you need to be a well rounded individual with a plethora of skills. If you don't. You fail. End of.
People should buy a selection of tools, and learn them inside out. But they keep expecting the next purchase to be the band-aid that fixes everything. Then it doesn't... because they didn't put the time and effort into learning how to get the sound they wanted. Then they bitch about how much it cost them, and they go out and buy something else... repeat the cycle.
/rant
Jrich4967
Member
JeffTD
Senhor Testiculo
SSD is by no means "insanely priced." When you consider the R/D and behind-the-scenes work, in addition to the cost of supporting the product after its release, software costs a shitload more than you'd think.
You don't have to say you compare the prices to getting it for free - that's what piracy has done for you. It being an option automatically makes you compare it to that cost, whether you consciously do it or not.
The whole "it isn't a physical product so it's not the same" argument is 100% horseshit and has been debunked more times than you've jerked off. Try again, asshole.
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