The new Edguy album!! Edguy's metal days are over!!

I really disliked ROCKET RIDE.
I am not stoked for this, based on what I am hearing.

Tobias is a great front man, and can pull off cock rock well.

I guess most expected more from the band who penned albums such as THEATER OF SALVATION.
 
I must be old.....since when are bands like Edguy, Sonata Arctica and Rhapsody considered "power metal"? I thought bands like Vicious Rumors, Metal Church, Grave Digger and Brainstorm were "power metal".....you know, actually heavy. These other bands (Edguy and all) are fast, but they're not heavy. I've been confused by this term for the last few years. Oh well.....I guess times have changed!
 
I must be old.....since when are bands like Edguy, Sonata Arctica and Rhapsody considered "power metal"? I thought bands like Vicious Rumors, Metal Church, Grave Digger and Brainstorm were "power metal".....you know, actually heavy. These other bands (Edguy and all) are fast, but they're not heavy. I've been confused by this term for the last few years. Oh well.....I guess times have changed!

Heard this talked about a few times and I think it has to do with a generalized contextual paradigm shift (god, that series of words looks way too heavy handed) that lies partially with the evolution of this branch of metal over time and the fact that the newest generation of these bands include a lot of gateway bands, i.e. young metal fans are getting into it through bands like Edguy, Rhapsody, etc. moreso than the old workhorses like Metal Church or Grave Digger. (I'm having a hard time explaining the idea I have in my head about this)

As a member of the demographic I just described, the bands in the group you mentioned are what I think of as True Metal or heavy metal. Other examples being Running Wild, Rage, Tad Morose, Virgin Steele, etc. To my ears, power metal, whose early pioneers I see as Blind Guardian and Stratovarius, just is not as heavy in general (BG was decently heavy but not so much when you compare them with your Grave Diggers etc). So you have your Skylarks, your Dragonforces, your Edguys, your Gamma Rays (GR isn't that heavy to my ears), etc. not to mention your folk metal bands a'la Elvenking.

The derogatory term I hear thrown at bands like Sonata Arctica on occasion is flower metal, i.e. bands that are supposedly metal but are decidedly un-heavy.

Side note for those on watch against the 'genre-police', this is just how I personally have viewed it, not trying to pin absolute labels on anybody.
 
+1 Tycho. That was spot-on for me.

The 2nd listen of the album makes it a little better, but I'm still disappointed in the shift away from metal. Its obviously happening, but oh well. This stuff is still much better hard rock than anything you hear on the radio these days anyways, imo.
 
Just a question: Do you think that Tobias is aiming this at American Modern Rock radio? Edguy is great on stage, but do you get the feeling that they may want to become big in the US? If you listen to "Superheroes", that song I could have seen played on K-Rock or other Modern Rock stations. Hell, if it was pushed, I could have seen that song raid Top-40 radio here.

Thoughts?
 
I must be old.....since when are bands like Edguy, Sonata Arctica and Rhapsody considered "power metal"? I thought bands like Vicious Rumors, Metal Church, Grave Digger and Brainstorm were "power metal".....you know, actually heavy. These other bands (Edguy and all) are fast, but they're not heavy. I've been confused by this term for the last few years. Oh well.....I guess times have changed!

I always view it as European Power Metal (Sonata, Stratovarius, Helloween etc.) vs American Power Metal (Iced Earth, Metal Church, Brainstorm).. you see it doesn't matter where the band comes from but there are definitely two distinct styles of power metal.. One that lighter faster and usually relies on the fast drumbeat, and the more straight forward style with the backbeat... IMHO...
 
Just a question: Do you think that Tobias is aiming this at American Modern Rock radio? Edguy is great on stage, but do you get the feeling that they may want to become big in the US? If you listen to "Superheroes", that song I could have seen played on K-Rock or other Modern Rock stations. Hell, if it was pushed, I could have seen that song raid Top-40 radio here.

Thoughts?

I think Evergrey attempted to do that with MMA a couple of years ago, and we all know that got mixed reviews. :rolleyes:

The problem is that no European band has done well on American radio for a number of years. In fact, rock radio is dead and has been since the late 90s when "other" forms of music started taking over.

But then again, American radio as a whole has done lousy for about the last ten years or so... :erk:

So I don't know if Tobias is trying to get Edguy on American radio or not. Avantasia would have been a better choice IMHO because it is more "approachable" (mainstream Top-40 sounding) than Edguy is - though I like Edguy better myself.
 
I haven't heard the new Edguy yet....I look forward to picking it up. I liked both Hellfire Club and Rocket Ride quite a bit.....they had personality......Sammets personality, actually. Let's face it folks, Tobias is a goofball, and now his band is a reflection of him....and that's not a bad thing. I actually thought that the Edguy albums before Mandrake, while good, were quite generic. They have separated themselves from the pack with this "new" direction. I dig the fun, not-so-serious attitude they had on the last 2 cds....but then again, I like The Poodles and Wig Wam, so I guess I'm open to the goofier side of metal every once in a while!
 
I guess maybe it's not that metal, but when you can write hooks you can write hooks. This album rules if you like good melodies. It also sounds to me like Edguy has improved in terms of their playing.

What I want to know is what's going on with Tobias' voice? It sounds like he's been losing range and clarity for a few years now. He's way too young for that to be happening. Whatever he's doing to his vocal chords he needs to quit it.
 
The problem is that no European band has done well on American radio for a number of years. In fact, rock radio is dead and has been since the late 90s when "other" forms of music started taking over.

wrong

Snow Patrol
Coldplay
Bloc Party
Arctic Monkeys
Franz Ferdinand
etc

They all suck, but they're all European. Being from Europe doesn't automatically mean they won't be successful on mainstream radio here.