The News Thread

[Einherjar86]

Sure, but is this the first time a 30+ year old rape threat was dredged up, leaked to the media against all wishes of the accuser to have it kept private, and then have the accused dragged to a hearing wherein he's basically pressured to suspend his nomination and urge the FBI for an investigation to be brought against himself, all in the period of a month?

Seems pretty unprecedented but I'm not exactly well read on the obscure fuckeries of American politics so maybe it's common.

Ummm...

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Ummm...

This, although it was more like a 10-20 year old allegation that Thomas made a joke about a pubic hair on a can of soda and another joke about a porn star's dick.

Also, Clinton had some rape allegations going back 20 years as well.

 

[CiG]

Ah yeah, Anita Hill, I remember that one. That accusation also came as he was being considered for SCOTUS?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Ah yeah, Anita Hill, I remember that one. That accusation also came as he was being considered for SCOTUS?

Yep, I don't think there were any allegations prior.

 

[CiG]

Bill's came well after he was already POTUS iirc?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Bill's came well after he was already POTUS iirc?

She went public with her name after the Monica Lewinski scandal already broke, but apparently there were vague allegations during the intial campaign.

 

[CiG]

 

[CiG]

I mustn't have been listening close enough to the Kavanaugh/Ford hearing. He's not being accused of raping her, he's being accused of pushing her into a bedroom, sitting on top of her and laughing as she thought he was going to rape her?

So not even an actual rape, a rape attempt at best? Now she's up 800k via GoFundMe, a comp'd lawyer team and apparently comp'd lie detector test?

 

[rms]

thought it was he had a strong case of whiskey dick and that is what prevented the rape

 

[CiG]

I thought there was a distraction and she fled to the bathroom?

 

[Einherjar86]

She says that if he hadn't had so much to drink, he would have raped her. He was holding her down and trying to take her clothes off. It was an attempted rape.

 

[viewerfromnihil]

Don't you guys read, or did you get all your info on this from podcasts?

 

[Blurry_Dreams]

My default is to accept the accusations for what they are: accusations with considerable backing and substantive evidence. Pending any full investigation into the allegations (which of course, may lead to criminal charges), I think it makes the most sense to find another candidate.

You noted the imbalance of power, and the problem with letting each party "make their case" is that ultimately it comes down to belief. In a full criminal investigation, the process would be a lot more detailed. In a criminal court, reasonable doubt keeps someone out of prison (ideally). In this case, however, reasonable doubt doesn't hold the same sway. We're not talking about denying someone their personal liberty, we're talking about awarding someone a high degree of judicial responsibility.

I'm not denying that people make false accusations. I'm denying the frequency with which it happens, and the facility with which someone might do it.

+1

 

[CiG]

Don't you guys read, or did you get all your info on this from podcasts?

I watched the actual hearing, if you read back a few pages you'll see me say this several times. Not that I want to rob you of the chance to be a smug cockhead.

 

[Dak]

It's amusing to watch incremental theorists become entity theorists as soon as it's politically convenient, and vice versa.

 

[viewerfromnihil]

I watched the actual hearing, if you read back a few pages you'll see me say this several times. Not that I want to rob you of the chance to be a smug cockhead.

<3

 

[Dak]

https://twitter.com/ElizLanders/status/1047171789787467776

 

[rms]

jeez

 

[CiG]

Wait why would she say that?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

tbh if Feinstein is already under pressure because Ford's name was leaked through her office, more names being leaked could automatically make her look worse no matter whose name. But anything that makes more people hate Feinstein is good in my book.