The News Thread

[rms]

You have to understand that corporations wouldn't exist without a large buying force, which is poor people (and the credit system). The system is designed to exploit those who have just enough money to pay credit card bills

 

[arg]

that's it? haha no explanation other than "boo hoo they're rich and im not, Bernie take their money and give it to me plz" fucking imbecile

 

[Dak]

The .05% control almost all the wealth.

THANK GOD FOR ALL THOSE REGULATORY AGENCIES AMIRITE

 

[Matt]

THANK GOD FOR ALL THOSE REGULATORY AGENCIES AMIRITE

Yeah, I'm sure that's the reason why we're in this situation. No regulation = completely even playing field AMIRITE

 

[CiG]

Do you not understand how bad wealth inequality is in this country (and the world, for that matter)? The .05% control almost all the wealth. And this is not because they just worked harder than everyone else.

The poor are getting wealthier in the west, what would you prefer? Everybody be much closer yet more poor overall or the gap be larger but the poorer people are doing gradually better? If you want to give away the extra money you don't need, go ahead. But keep your filthy hands out of the pockets of others.

From many people's perspective it's "make the people who catch more fish than they need give their extra fish to other people". Not that I agree with this as a policy, but I can see why poor people would feel that way.

Stop talking about poor people in such a monolithic sense. I grew up poor.
It's not the poor people pushing these wealth redistribution ideas it's overwhelmingly middle and up doing it.

 

[Baroque]

Stop talking about poor people in such a monolithic sense. I grew up poor.
It's not the poor people pushing these wealth redistribution ideas it's overwhelmingly middle and up doing it.

Wrong, my best friends are poor and love the wealth redistribution ideas. Middle and upper class friends are either against it or quiet about it. Unless there are statistics to show otherwise I won't believe it.

 

[Matt]

The poor are getting wealthier in the west, what would you prefer? Everybody be much closer yet more poor overall or the gap be larger but the poorer people are doing gradually better? If you want to give away the extra money you don't need, go ahead. But keep your filthy hands out of the pockets of others.

What the fuck are you talking about? None of that makes any sense.

I would prefer the ultra rich pay their fair share and be prevented from using elaborate techniques to shield their income. All of the money they have in tax shelters overseas should be taxable also.

Corporate taxes are a different story.

 

[CiG]

You have to understand that corporations wouldn't exist without a large buying force, which is poor people (and the credit system). The system is designed to exploit those who have just enough money to pay credit card bills

I love how choice is perverted into being an exploitation.

Wrong, my best friends are poor and love the wealth redistribution ideas. Middle and upper class friends are either against it or quiet about it. Unless there are statistics to show otherwise I won't believe it.

No it's not wrong.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/09/americans-reject-wealth-redistribution/404806/

 

[Baroque]

No it's not wrong.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/09/americans-reject-wealth-redistribution/404806/

Did you read that article? It doesn't support your point. They say the two groups that have moved against income redistribution are the Elderly and African Americans since 1970. Those groups are not necessarily poor. I would bet that a smaller percentage of African Americans are poor than were in 1970.

 

[CiG]

But your friends that support your opinion here are definitely representative of poor people.

 

[Baroque]

But your friends that support your opinion here are definitely representative of poor people.

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It's at least a sample of poor people. Yours is a sample of mixed classes.

 

[Matt]

It's ludicrous to assume that poor people wouldn't support some kind of wealth redistribution. Why would they be opposed to something that will help them? Are you saying poor people are stupid?

 

[CiG]

So poverty isn't a norm in the black community, it's an exception?

It's ludicrous to assume that poor people wouldn't support some kind of wealth redistribution. Why would they be opposed to something that will help them? Are you saying poor people are stupid?

Are you suggesting poor people are more willing to take the money of other people? They have pride you know. I should know, I grew up poor.

 

[viewerfromnihil]

No, but they will buy into the illusion of the American dream. Pull up them damn boot straps and millions await you.

You're not the only one who grew up poor, Cassette.

 

[Baroque]

So poverty isn't a norm in the black community, it's an exception?

This says 27.4% of blacks are poor, so no, it's not the norm. http://www.npc.umich.edu/poverty/

 

[Matt]

I grew up in the lowest of the lower middle class and still am in that category. I would gladly take money from people who are doing both the economy overall and the population a major disservice by hoarding all the wealth. The American dream is fucking dead.

 

[CiG]

You're not the only one who grew up poor, Cassette.

Didn't say I was. Didn't even suggest it. Just using that fact to counter balance a narrative that talks about poor people as a monolith.
In my experience, it's these sorts of people that advocate for wealth redistribution, middle class moralisers.

 

[Matt]

Yeah, post some bullshit propaganda vids. You're like TechnicalBarbarity without the associated bullshit.

Also - what do you even think that "wealth redistribution" means in the context of American politics?

 

[Baroque]

Just using that fact to counter balance a narrative that talks about poor people as a monolith.

So you're ascribing some "narrative that talks about poor people" to me with no foundation, basically strawmanning me. Alright then. No point in continuing this discussion

 

[CiG]

Yeah, post some bullshit propaganda vids. You're like TechnicalBarbarity without the associated bullshit.

Also - what do you even think that "wealth redistribution" means in the context of American politics?

Do you ever stop being a condescending douchebag?

Yes I know what it means dipshit. You're just like Arg except you ignore the high horse you ride in on.

Here's a case against your retarded socialist nonsense.

http://www.creators.com/opinion/thomas-sowell/the-fallacy-of-redistribution.html

Let me guess, dismissed because "HE'S A CONSERVATIVE HUR DUR."

So you're ascribing some "narrative that talks about poor people" to me with no foundation, basically strawmanning me. Alright then. No point in continuing this discussion

but I can see why poor people would feel that way.

I only mentioned my own upbringing to create a counterpoint against this.

As to your article,

For example, while cash benefits from government assistance programs are included in a family's income when calculating the official poverty measure, benefits received in-kind such as food stamps, Medicare or Medicaid, employer provided health insurance, housing subsidies, and other social services are excluded. Taxes that families pay and tax credits they receive such as the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) do not enter into the official poverty determination.

Basically that 28% might just be the bare minimum of how many people are in poverty in the black community.