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HamburgerBoy
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CiG
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I love how we went from "people who protest during the pandemic are ignorant assholes endangering the lives of everybody" to "wE sTaNd iN SoLiDaRiTy WiTh ThE pRoTeStS."
Amazing what political biases will do to people. Not only are people trying their hardest not to condemn these events even though there's rioting and looting, but they've completely dropped the whole COVID-19 angle entirely. Second wave is going to rape America so hard, I bet Minneapolis is already a festering hot zone.
Amazing what political biases will do to people. Not only are people trying their hardest not to condemn these events even though there's rioting and looting, but they've completely dropped the whole COVID-19 angle entirely. Second wave is going to rape America so hard, I bet Minneapolis is already a festering hot zone.
Einherjar86
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Yeah that's it, Tony is just a bad name for headlines, that's the critical distinction between him and George
mmmm George Floyd is in the news now though... when was the Dallas dude in the news? Last year?
There have been a lot of black victims of police brutality whose names have been completely forgotten.
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Self-portrait?
CiG
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Not with the same circumstances as this white guy. He was killed in the same fashion Floyd was, except they made jokes the whole time, and the point isn't that people aren't mad about it now or protesting about it now, it's that nobody did when it happened. I'm sure there was some online outrage by cop watching groups, but no murals for him, no mass celebrity solidarity, nothing of any political substance.
Police brutality on its own doesn't illicit much energy, but when it has a (perceived) racial angle; boom.
TechnicalBarbarity
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a few internet articles doesn't necessarily make it "in the news". Being on every single news channel on the other hand does.
not as many as whites. Stats and facts buddy, stats and facts.
Every black guy that gets killed by a dirty cop makes it on TV. But for some reason we almost never hear about whites who are killed by cops. Stats and facts brah.
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I've heard some say that the utilitarian thing to do is prioritize racism over wuflu, because far more blacks are victims to racism than any virus, or something.
Georgia and other states have been open for a while though and not much in the way of a resurgence afaik. I'm starting to join teamhoax on it tbh.
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CiG
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Businesses being open or you mean all social distancing measures lifted? Because these protests have been hundreds if not thousands of people in close proximity, out there for hours and hours, touching a multitude of surfaces, no hand sanitizer etc.
Einherjar86
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That's not untrue, but I think there's more too it than this.
The news cycle has disproportionately picked up on brutality against blacks, that's true; but the energy focused on black deaths wasn't engineered by the news media, if we look at it historically. That energy came about after black activists organized to protest violence by cops against blacks.
I guarantee you that if white activists organized to protest the death of people like Tony Timpa, the news would cover it way more than it does. But the history of police brutality against whites has never been a dimension of racial hostility; in the first half of the twentieth century, and into the 1960s, the police embodied a branch of what we might now call homegrown terrorism against African Americans--mainly in the South, but in the North too. In fact, New England has a pretty horrifying history of murdering African Americans into the 1950s at least.
There's never been such a history of police brutality against white people, and so white people have never felt the need to organize and protest about it--at least not to the extent that the black community has. The news never used to cover police brutality against blacks the way it does today; it probably didn't really take off until after Rodney King, but it's really only shot up since Trayvon Martin, which galvanized a serious protest was the news ate up.
Not as many, but disproportionately black. Stats and facts.
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In Georgia's case I'm pretty sure it has been fully open. Definitely the kind of close contract seen in these riots should be even worse, but people were predicting a massive explosion of cases in Georgia since the beginning of May and it hasn't happened yet. The deaths are so concentrated in a handful of states and cities that I think it is largely a local issue of people like DeBlasio sending patients to nursing homes.
TechnicalBarbarity
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... this slimeball brainlet is trying to shift goalposts again. "there have been a lot of black victims of police brutality" ------- > More white people are killed by cops, yet we barely hear about it. Less black people are killed by cops, but every single one gets blasted on every news channel. Stats and facts mija.
CiG
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We all know that any organizing effort based around being white will not only not gain traction but it will be shit all over.
To the rest of your post, I agree, it's a matter of historical fact. Personally speaking I'm not in support of some movement focusing on police violence against whites, I would only appeal to balance. What we're told to believe is that today the murder of black men by cops is some kind of very specific issue that needs dealing with, as if those rates stand above the rest. This new movement is so racially motivated that about half the time they seem to be championing victims who were killed lawfully, due to something they did, meanwhile the white guy we're talking about is ripe for a cause.
A unified movement against police brutality that covers all victims regardless of race would be rather inspiring imo.
From what I'm reading they're still not fully open, but 6 weeks of loosened distancing restrictions and a quadruple in rates of testing is pretty good. Sounds a lot like what we did here, which has been paying off.
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As much as I'm not a fan of the police as an institution, they're not irrational on an individual level. If a cop pulls a gun in a scenario where there are high pressures for him not to, he probably had a good reason. Under any other circumstances, getting a brick pelted at a fellow officer's head would fully justify bullets.
Einherjar86
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It probably would be shit on if it was explicitly described as racially motivated, because there's not even a history in which that makes sense.
BLM actually describes itself as an inclusive movement that stands for brutality against disabled people, people with records, women, and others. "White" isn't specified because, culturally speaking, it doesn't need to be. The legal U.S. citizen has historically been defined as white, and imagined as such. There may come a time in the future when that's no longer the case; but part of the initiative now is to dislodge that assumption.
You haven't responded to my comment about disproportionately more blacks being the victims of police violence. I'm not shifting the goalposts, you're just ignoring my responses to your posts. Which is what you typically do.
That's a serious assumption you're making. I'm more inclined to say that police are predisposed to act irrationally, especially given the psychological types that are attracted to the authority of law enforcement.
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Pretty safe assumption really. Every police dep is on edge and afraid about giving propaganda value to rioters. Not sure what assumptions you're making about the psychological types of cops.
CiG
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I never said white needed to be specified, but the proof is in the cricket pudding in this case, probably because he was white.
Einherjar86
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Being anxious tends to result in irrational decisions, not rational ones.
Law enforcement tends to attract people of a certain disposition. A lot of young men join the force because they're looking for an excuse to knock some heads together--same with military, prison guards, etc. And the hesitant cops (who certainly comprise the greater portion) tend to stand back while the eager guns inflict harm. Hence:
TechnicalBarbarity
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ignored your response? The point of this was that you're saying there "have been a lot of black victims of police brutality and most of their names are forgotten". I responded by telling you that there are more white people who have been killed by cops and most of them have not even been mentioned by anyone. While just about every black person who has been killed by cops has been blasted on every news network. I crushed you with facts and you once again tried to shift the goalposts instead of admitting that yes, more whites are killed and we almost never hear about it. Youre just naturally spineless lackey.
Are you always this ironic? You ignore just about everything in most of my posts and respond with hilarious nonsense where you think youre actually hurting my feelings or what not when in reality all i hear is your signature cries of defeat. And im the one ignoring stuff?
