the randy staub drum trick

[lanky noob]

So i've read in alit of places that randy pitch shifts drums down in the chorus of songs to make it "bigger"

Could anyone elaborate on this?
meaning how it'd work and how detectable it should be in a mix, i'm curious to try but don't really have much of an idea where to start, if anyone could post examples too it'd be much appreciated

 

[mstone564]

Maybe he has a really low tuned sample and automates it under the original drums during the chorus?
I couldn't imagine detuning all the drums at once would sound good.

 

[Machinated]

I'd imagine its using an H3000. Heard of a lot of big names using those on drums at times.

Can't speak for if that's what staub does, just saying I've heard it done quite a bit.

 

[botus99]

Not sure about this trick, but pitch-shifting drums can really help them sit better in the mix when its done right.

 

[JeffTD]

I thought the Randy Staub drum trick was to blend in the same one shot samples on every mix?

 

[The StabbinCabin]

There was a thread about this a ways back. Someone posted a Rage Against The Machine song where it comes in and it sounded pretty cool. Think someone else tried it on their own mix and posted it. I'll have to look for it but I honestly thought the thread resurfaced this time.

 

[Sloan]

This was also discussed in an interview with one engineer that is mentioned here quite often. Of course I can't think of who the fuck it is right now... will pop back in later if i remember.

 

[LBTM]

Some times doubling the snare track and pitch shift one channel can sound good. You just have to find how much to pitch shift it to sound good.

 

[zirkonflex]

I thought the Randy Staub drum trick was to blend in the same one shot samples on every mix?

Pretty much that actually.

 

[Uros]

I thought that 'the RS trick' was using a one shot sample only to trigger reverb (without using that sample in the actual mix)? Not that it matters anyways. Both tricks can be put to good use.

 

[greyskull]

I thought that 'the RS trick' was using a one shot sample only to trigger reverb (without using that sample in the actual mix)? Not that it matters anyways. Both tricks can be put to good use.

Think that's Andy Wallace.

 

[lanky noob]

I thought that 'the RS trick' was using a one shot sample only to trigger reverb (without using that sample in the actual mix)? Not that it matters anyways. Both tricks can be put to good use.

How would that work? some sort of sidechaining? or am I overthinking things

 

[Uros]

Yeah, it was Andy Wallace! Never the less. Well, you make a trigger track based on the original snare track, just as you would do it normally when you're printing trigger samples for replacement or augmenting. The only difference is that it's a single sample, because you need consistency and weight, so most likely you'll use a hard hit sample with a fair amount of thud (low mids) for this.

When you print that trigger track just mute it and send it pre-fader to an aux track, on which you have your reverb of choice, so now you only have wet signal of this one shot. Adjust its volume in the mix to taste. And voila, now you have a wet one shot trigger track which you can use for adding 'fake' ambiance and weight to the original snare track without cymbal bleed and such. You only have to mix'n'match this wet sample and original drums, because they must fit each other, so experiment with different samples.

 

[Ermz]

My impression was that he shifted the guitars down an octave then blended them back in during choruses. I've done this a few times. Subtle but cool effect.

 

[lanky noob]

Just found an old thread on tis and it turns out that yeah, that's what he does

Still curious to try it on drums though, could sound cool if used lightly

 

[smy1]

My impression was that he shifted the guitars down an octave then blended them back in during choruses. I've done this a few times. Subtle but cool effect.

Interesting idea. I shall try it in the future!

 

[abaga129]

I thought the Randy Staub drum trick was to blend in the same one shot samples on every mix?

Ouch. Somebody is take a stab at staub