The Sum is 0

Is cryptkeeper going to signup when he is old enough to defend the country that he loves? Is he going to kill children and other innocents for a man that refuses to admit that he has made fatal mistakes?

"Unofficial estimates of the civilian toll vary wildly, from at least 10,000 to more than 37,000." from BBC news. 1000 US soldiers have been killed and many more have been seriously injured (the injuries hardly ever make the news) and returned to their country crippled.

Don't believe everything that you read.
 
I didn't know that you were only fifteen years old, Cryptkeeper. I think that it's great that you're so interested in politics. Keep it up. It's your civic dutie.

Thank you very much for that report, Thrash.
 
Tye said:
Don't believe everything that you read.

I believe it was Marx (Groucho, that is ;) ) who said, "What are you going to believe; what you are told or your own two eyes?"

It always amazes me just how many Republicans/Conservatives are willing to just shut off their brains and blindly believe whatever it is that their party tells them without thinking about questioning what they're being sold. :ill:

Bush wants to continue to tell us that the war in Iraq is going great and that everything in this country is just peachy. If that was really the case, we would not continue to read headlines in the paper like Cash-Strapped Pentagon Taps Emergency Fund, caused by the mismanagement and poor planning of this war (from this article: "The announcement follows the Bush administration's move early this month to seek congressional approval for diverting $3.3 billion earmarked for reconstruction of Iraq's infrastructure into programs focused mainly on establishing law and order by shoring up Iraqi security forces." The Bush cabinet was directly told by their military war planners not to allow the borders to remain unprotected, the result of which caused a vacuum of power that allowed every terrorist nut to come into Iraq AFTER Hussein's ouster).

The war in Afghanistan and the events of 9/11/2001 possibly could have been avoided altogether had the president been taking a proactive attempt to stop the al Qaeda threat in the first place (go read Bush Whacker's signature. This is from one of W's own cabinet members).

Now, read this excerpt from Bush's speech in Derry, NH "Another lesson of Sept. the 11th, another lesson is that we must take threats seriously, before they fully materialize. Prior to Sept. the 11th, if we saw a threat, we could deal with it if we felt like it, or not, because we never dreamt it would come home to hurt us. So if we saw a gathering threat overseas, maybe it's something to pay attention to, maybe it wasn't. Today, that world changed. Today, we've got to take every threat seriously, because we saw the consequences of what can happen. We're still vulnerable." (Hey, didn't W. say that this war in Iraq was making America safer?)

The underlining of that quote is mine because I wanted you to pay close attention to what was being said. The outgoing Clinton Administration had told Bush and his cabinet that bin Laden was already looking to attack Americans (military and civilian) and had declared war on America. Several attempts by al Qaeda cells in the United States to cause terror in America (i.e. the Los Angeles International Airport Millenium Bomb plot) were thwarted before they could be put into action because of Clinton's stance on fighting terrorism. (Read the 9/11 Commission's Final Report.) Apparently, Osama bin Laden's declaration of war on Americans was not enough of a threat for Bush to respond to and the results of this kind of thinking are 1,040 American soldiers dead and 7,026 wounded and almost 3,000 civilians dead beginning at 8:14 am EDT on September 11th, 2001.

And this is the same guy you want to be our President? o_O
 
Cryptkeeper said:
Probably. Bush did not make a fatal mistake, it was the international intelligence that he got.

Which intelligence is this? The intelligence given by the UN Weapons Inspectors who were on the ground in Iraq who said there were no weapons of mass destruction in the first place? :Smug:
 
Well I am glad that pride is more important to you than the lives of the civilians in Iraq and the well being of international troops.