The what's going on in Thrash thread

[TempleOfBlood]

Bands only make money off of ticket sales, meet and greets, and t shirts. Not albums. Albums are just promos for the tour and more t-shirts. This is one of the big reasons albums suck so badly these days, maybe the single biggest reason.

Megadeth has to appeal to more than just people who know who Lee Rausch was. They didn't get to be a multi-plat artist by only appealing to the kind of folks who post on metal message boards. They dumbed and slowed down their sound on "Countdown to Extinction" and "Youthanasia" and started selling a lot more units. Megadeth "fans" outside of message boards like this probably mostly just love their hits. Same thing with Metallica. "Real fans" are a small fraction of your audience. Keep in mind that Dave's mission has always been to compete with Metallica. He didn't want to be relegated to obscurity.

I didn't care for Jimmy's drumming on that album either, but it was no worse than the songs themselves. I don't think Jimmy was holding them back. I'd rather have him in the band than Kiko, who I think stinks TBH.

Dave was careful about who he got, he just wasn't trying to appeal to thrashers. He is a huge Alice Cooper fan (and friend) and got guys from his band who could play the material, knew how to act professionally, and were available to tour for long stretches. It's far from my dream team, but I can definitely see why they were picked.

(My dream team would have Hoglan on drums and bring back Broderick on lead guitar).

I can't think of a single thrash song better than Headcrusher since it came out in 2010 or so. Those riffs, all the solos, the arrangement .... it was all as glorious as the heyday of 80s thrash. Only held back a bit by that Andy Sneap-ish production.

 

[Slammed]

Keep in mind that most metal fans don't even know the names of the people in the band and only know the old hits.

Hardcore thrashers are a minority of the people who consume thrash metal or would go see Megadeth live. We will not be happy with who Dave choses as a replacement. Were any of us clamoring for him to get Al Pitrelli in the band or the bassist from White Lion?

Shawn's drumming wasn't my favorite, but he did co-write "Headcrusher" which is easily one of the best thrash songs of the last 20 years.

Jimmy was far better than I expected, and he sounded great on that live DVD they did. He was in Suicidal Tendencies.

WHAT?? Most metal fans don't know the band?? That's ludicrous even if we weren't talking about Megadeth.

I'd imagine fans this time around will be split, some will be happy to see Jnr gone, some wont, and some will go and see the band no matter who is playing. There will be comparisons made just like that has been with all past players and people will always have their favourites. Although I have to say those comparisons will be made all that much harder because no one knows anyones name!

 

[Slammed]

He probably did get his name out there a lot with those videos.

I'll tell you what I think was a huge waste of time, that BPMD album. That seemed to be a colossal dud. Turns out that no one wants to hear Blitz sing 70s rock songs. Or maybe anyone sing them?

Although the song selection wasn't totally to my liking I liked that album, but then I like music in general and don't pigeon hole myself into one genre. I've got no intention of listening to Charlie's quarantine album of covers but BPMD was cool. Bring on AK Coral next!!

 

[Slammed]

Yeah that BPMD songs were not very good in my opinion. I just don't like when Blitz combines his gutter voice with vibrato. I do like them both separately though. It didn't help that I don't really care for a lot of those songs to begin with.

Philistine!!

 

[Slammed]

Well I have no idea who you mean by "most metal fans" and why would Dave or anyone care what the casual listener thinks? I'm talking about real fans not fly by night cherry pickers. He should only care about the actual fans that buy albums and follow the band. That's what bands work toward. An actual fanbase.

Al and White Lion guy only solidifies my point. Dave just grabbed guys. He wasn't careful.
I know very well who Jimmy is. He was competent. But nothing about the drums on that album did shit for me.

* Headcrusher was one of MEGADETH'S best thrash songs in 20 years*. Fixed it. JK

With shows coming up very soon I think Dave is going to do the same again and just grab someone to play bass. The only advantage he (maybe we) might have now is that there will be a lot of guys ready to start playing.

 

[Slammed]

Bands only make money off of ticket sales, meet and greets, and t shirts. Not albums. Albums are just promos for the tour and more t-shirts. This is one of the big reasons albums suck so badly these days, maybe the single biggest reason.

Megadeth has to appeal to more than just people who know who Lee Rausch was. They didn't get to be a multi-plat artist by only appealing to the kind of folks who post on metal message boards. They dumbed and slowed down their sound on "Countdown to Extinction" and "Youthanasia" and started selling a lot more units. Megadeth "fans" outside of message boards like this probably mostly just love their hits. Same thing with Metallica. "Real fans" are a small fraction of your audience. Keep in mind that Dave's mission has always been to compete with Metallica. He didn't want to be relegated to obscurity.

I didn't care for Jimmy's drumming on that album either, but it was no worse than the songs themselves. I don't think Jimmy was holding them back. I'd rather have him in the band than Kiko, who I think stinks TBH.

Dave was careful about who he got, he just wasn't trying to appeal to thrashers. He is a huge Alice Cooper fan (and friend) and got guys from his band who could play the material, knew how to act professionally, and were available to tour for long stretches. It's far from my dream team, but I can definitely see why they were picked.

(My dream team would have Hoglan on drums and bring back Broderick on lead guitar).

I can't think of a single thrash song better than Headcrusher since it came out in 2010 or so. Those riffs, all the solos, the arrangement .... it was all as glorious as the heyday of 80s thrash. Only held back a bit by that Andy Sneap-ish production.

Again that first line is bullshit. Sure bands make more money from touring because the label doesn't take such a large cut of the saleable product but this mantra that is sprouted and has been sprouted for years that bands don't make money from albums really needs to stop. Sure small bands struggle with record sales alone but major label bands still make more than enough off record sales and bands who've had major label success and go on to create their own labels selling under license to majors make even more.

Touring itself, at a level many of these bands do, eats into more profits than any album creation does simply because of the number of crew needed and the cost to get them from show to show. Add to that hiring local crews when overseas and having to pay local rates which are so often higher than they are in the US and touring costs a small fortune. If you were to see the figures that some bands need to tour a place like Australia, even bands like Overkill who are happy to play 2000 seat venues, you'd realise there is still a lot of money to be made recording albums. At the very least an album is the gateway to live sales and merch sales, without albums bands would be riding the festival circuit playing 40 minute sets not headlining gigs and touring other countries. Albums only suck because people want something to blame for things today being different.

 

[redfly]

Bands only make money off of ticket sales, meet and greets, and t shirts. Not albums. Albums are just promos for the tour and more t-shirts. This is one of the big reasons albums suck so badly these days, maybe the single biggest reason.

Megadeth has to appeal to more than just people who know who Lee Rausch was. They didn't get to be a multi-plat artist by only appealing to the kind of folks who post on metal message boards. They dumbed and slowed down their sound on "Countdown to Extinction" and "Youthanasia" and started selling a lot more units. Megadeth "fans" outside of message boards like this probably mostly just love their hits. Same thing with Metallica. "Real fans" are a small fraction of your audience. Keep in mind that Dave's mission has always been to compete with Metallica. He didn't want to be relegated to obscurity.

I didn't care for Jimmy's drumming on that album either, but it was no worse than the songs themselves. I don't think Jimmy was holding them back. I'd rather have him in the band than Kiko, who I think stinks TBH.

Dave was careful about who he got, he just wasn't trying to appeal to thrashers. He is a huge Alice Cooper fan (and friend) and got guys from his band who could play the material, knew how to act professionally, and were available to tour for long stretches. It's far from my dream team, but I can definitely see why they were picked.

(My dream team would have Hoglan on drums and bring back Broderick on lead guitar).

I can't think of a single thrash song better than Headcrusher since it came out in 2010 or so. Those riffs, all the solos, the arrangement .... it was all as glorious as the heyday of 80s thrash. Only held back a bit by that Andy Sneap-ish production.

Albums just for tours are the reason albums suck these days. Of course bands want as many people buying things as possible. But a real sustaining band isn't built by casual fans unless they are radio bands. I'm invested in the bands I like and yes I know everyone's name lol even when they get new members.
I frankly don't know anyone that listens to thrash or death metal that only listens to singles. I'm in it for the album. I'm not a tween with no attention span. And I'm probably the average age for a fan of these bands as I started with them at 12 in the 80's. I also don't pay attention to 99 percent of the online "fans" I have no idea who these people are. They can say anything at all. That's not credible to me.
Like the people on Blabber who claim to be metal fans but spend all their time making fun of metal bands. Their opinions don't matter at all to me. Tomorrow they will contradict themselves.

I know Dave is a big Cooper fan but I'm not so sure that's why he got Al. Maybe it was. But if he liked Al so much why didn't he try and bring him back? I never really read anything that made that line up seem like a real band. I think Dave just wanted someone who could imitate Marty. AL was like Marty lite to me lol.

As far as him following Metallica which is of course true. I think that kinda stopped after the Risk Debacle. He's been trying to appeal more to his thrash fans then the radio people. He followed them but he only operated like them as it pertained to watering down the band. He didn't do the other things that makes Metallica successful. Like treating members as equals.
So he's never going to get that return.

Headcrusher is a great song. I was really happily surprised. Although the drums still sucked. I think half that album is pretty good. But I like songs from Testament,Overkill, Flotsam and Exodus more. To each their own on that one.

Sigh. Mustaine is mystery isn't he? I wonder if he's ever been diagnosed as Bipolar.

Well that's way to much typing on a Friday night for me. Sorry if I trailed on and didn't make sense lol.

I wish Broderick was i a better band now. I wish he would do something with Loomis and a good frontman. Chris is a monster. I also wish Rusty Cooley had taken the Megadeth slot. I don't dislike Kiko. But I can take or leave him.

 

[redfly]

Although the song selection wasn't totally to my liking I liked that album, but then I like music in general and don't pigeon hole myself into one genre. I've got no intention of listening to Charlie's quarantine album of covers but BPMD was cool. Bring on AK Coral next!!

Lol, we all know you're more open than me! I did try. I just couldn't get into it. Yeah fuck Charlie's album!

 

[redfly]

With shows coming up very soon I think Dave is going to do the same again and just grab someone to play bass. The only advantage he (maybe we) might have now is that there will be a lot of guys ready to start playing.

Unfortunately I think that's true. I can honestly say I just hope they are really good.

 

[Slammed]

Sigh. Mustaine is mystery isn't he? I wonder if he's ever been diagnosed as Bipolar.

I don't think we need an official diagnosis

 

[redfly]

Again that first line is bullshit. Sure bands make more money from touring because the label doesn't take such a large cut of the saleable product but this mantra that is sprouted and has been sprouted for years that bands don't make money from albums really needs to stop. Sure small bands struggle with record sales alone but major label bands still make more than enough off record sales and bands who've had major label success and go on to create their own labels selling under license to majors make even more.

Touring itself, at a level many of these bands do, eats into more profits than any album creation does simply because of the number of crew needed and the cost to get them from show to show. Add to that hiring local crews when overseas and having to pay local rates which are so often higher than they are in the US and touring costs a small fortune. If you were to see the figures that some bands need to tour a place like Australia, even bands like Overkill who are happy to play 2000 seat venues, you'd realise there is still a lot of money to be made recording albums. At the very least an album is the gateway to live sales and merch sales, without albums bands would be riding the festival circuit playing 40 minute sets not headlining gigs and touring other countries. Albums only suck because people want something to blame for things today being different.

 

[Slammed]

Lol, we all know you're more open than me! I did try. I just couldn't get into it. Yeah fuck Charlie's album!

I'm open for business!!
hmmmm that sounds a bit odd, please no video chat Jnr!!!
A better song selection would have improved that BPMD album where as not releasing it would have improved Charlie's

 

[redfly]

I don't think we need an official diagnosis

Bwahahaha! That's true. It's good to have things in writing sometimes though!

 

[Slammed]

Unfortunately I think that's true. I can honestly say I just hope they are really good.

Maybe he'll ring Gene Simmons

 

[redfly]

I'm open for business!!
hmmmm that sounds a bit odd, please no video chat Jnr!!!
A better song selection would have improved that BPMD album where as not releasing it would have improved Charlie's

Damn you're on fire. Settle down. I;m slow on Fridays.

 

[Slammed]

Bwahahaha! That's true. It's good to have things in writing sometimes though!

So Dave can disagree with it?

 

[Slammed]

Damn you're on fire. Settle down. I;m slow on Fridays.

It's Saturday morning, I'm two coffees to the wind and all this rain is making me a bit damp in the head

 

[redfly]

So Dave can disagree with it?

Hello me, meet the real me?

 

[redfly]

It's Saturday morning, I'm two coffees to the wind and all this rain is making me a bit damp in the head

Still flooding?

 

[Slammed]

Hello me, meet the real me?

Haha
If he does that often enough he can have a whole band of himself and it will be the perfect band...until he fights with himself.