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https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/n...uitar-solo-from-former-guitarist-rick-hunolt/
Exodus news with sound!! (although not much)
Exodus news with sound!! (although not much)
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Interesting that they got Hammet back last time and now Hunolt.
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That is great to hear,now bring him back!(Nothing against Lee of course!)
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I feared this was going to happen. MI claimed it was his manger, BM claims website manager, I don't know what the guy's official title is but I really can't see this being "the way Nick would have wanted it".
Obviously I didn't know Nick and only have an opinion based upon his words from his book but from what I read in the book Nick had had enough of the fighting and BS long before he died. He'd said his peace and got past Dave's lies, he hadn't forgotten, he probably hadn't totally forgiven but he'd given up responding to them. I realise that Nick said all that before he died and before Dave's current book but I still get a really strong impression that reacting to Dave's book/comments is not something Nick would have done today. I further get the impression that the start and end of the book, which weren't written by Nick, showed more dislike towards Dave than the majority of the chapters Nick wrote. I understand his manager and family get upset, I also understand what they are trying to do but I really don't think they are doing that as well as they could by responding to Dave's comments, comments which most people already know should be taken with a grain of salt.
I feared this was going to happen. MI claimed it was his manger, BM claims website manager, I don't know what the guy's official title is but I really can't see this being "the way Nick would have wanted it".
Obviously I didn't know Nick and only have an opinion based upon his words from his book but from what I read in the book Nick had had enough of the fighting and BS long before he died. He'd said his peace and got past Dave's lies, he hadn't forgotten, he probably hadn't totally forgiven but he'd given up responding to them. I realise that Nick said all that before he died and before Dave's current book but I still get a really strong impression that reacting to Dave's book/comments is not something Nick would have done today. I further get the impression that the start and end of the book, which weren't written by Nick, showed more dislike towards Dave than the majority of the chapters Nick wrote. I understand his manager and family get upset, I also understand what they are trying to do but I really don't think they are doing that as well as they could by responding to Dave's comments, comments which most people already know should be taken with a grain of salt.
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Mixed feelings. I agree with you on the Nick side of things. But with his family I get it. You don't talk shit about someone's father/husband whatever. Especially after that person has died and expect them to take the high road. Only they really know how much shit Nick may have swallowed to be able to get over Dave's dealings.
P.S. I haven't read the story yet.
P.S. I haven't read the story yet.
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I understand the want to defend in the public arena but I tend to think it's just easier to remain silent and let shit like what Dave is throwing around be forgotten, like it will be in a very short time. I don't think Nick's family needs to defend anything. Nick's legacy, Nick's own words, and Nick's reputation speaks volumes about the guy and nothing Dave or anyone else can say will take that away. Biting back at Dave's comments could easily be a precursor to another public shit fight. Someone has to remain silent eventually, from the get go is as good a time as any.
I have no doubt that Dave's comments, in fact most of Dave's new book, is an excuse to tell his side of what was in Nick's book. He's no doubt been pissed since he first read it, but even the majority of Dave's biggest fans don't buy his side of the stories these days so biting back at him is a bit like poking a hornets nest.
I have no doubt that Dave's comments, in fact most of Dave's new book, is an excuse to tell his side of what was in Nick's book. He's no doubt been pissed since he first read it, but even the majority of Dave's biggest fans don't buy his side of the stories these days so biting back at him is a bit like poking a hornets nest.
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I guess when you are dealing with the personal feelings of family there are no guarantees. Although I tend to agree with you. If it was my dad though. Who knows? it might be a different story each time. High road, then sick of his crap etc lol. Dave keeps doing it to himself, all this negativity. At some point if no one fires back Dave's truth is going to be the only truth. Not sure I'm cool with that either lol.
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If it were my Dad he'd say "fuck 'em they ain't worth my time".
Alternatively Dave could end up being the boy who cried wolf, to some he's already that boy.
Alternatively Dave could end up being the boy who cried wolf, to some he's already that boy.
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I think Nick would've rejoined the band in 2004 or so if his playing had been up to snuff. I think Glen Drover basically pushed the issue to to Dave that Nick was not doing well. Is Glen a liar now too?
I think Nick had addiction issues, and ultimately is more replacable in the band than Mustaine with his own addiction issues is. Ex-Megadeth players talked about forming a new band with all ex-Megadeth folks and a new singer in 2001 or so when Mustaine dissolved the band but as we can all see that went nowhere.
I think he was arguably the best Megadeth drummer that ever will be, which is high praise indeed, but I don't think his playing was noteworthy outside of the group.
I think Dave's new book is just an excuse to have a new book, and thus a new revenue stream outside of trying to sell albums, shirts, and concert tickets. I'm sure he'd like to parlay his music success into a new venture that doesn't require him to tour as he gets older.
One incontrovertible thing you have to say about Dave: he gets kicked out of Metallica and he creates the successful and excellent band Megadeth. Other folks get kicked out of Megadeth and largely they don't do jack.
I think Nick had addiction issues, and ultimately is more replacable in the band than Mustaine with his own addiction issues is. Ex-Megadeth players talked about forming a new band with all ex-Megadeth folks and a new singer in 2001 or so when Mustaine dissolved the band but as we can all see that went nowhere.
I think he was arguably the best Megadeth drummer that ever will be, which is high praise indeed, but I don't think his playing was noteworthy outside of the group.
I think Dave's new book is just an excuse to have a new book, and thus a new revenue stream outside of trying to sell albums, shirts, and concert tickets. I'm sure he'd like to parlay his music success into a new venture that doesn't require him to tour as he gets older.
One incontrovertible thing you have to say about Dave: he gets kicked out of Metallica and he creates the successful and excellent band Megadeth. Other folks get kicked out of Megadeth and largely they don't do jack.
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Everyone in Megadeth is replaceable except Dave and most people have known it from day one. However there was more reasons than just addiction that made Nick replaceable when he was kicked out. He was a thorn in Dave's side for many reasons, he pissed Dave off, (which he does admit was fun, but ultimately wrong), and it was Dave's band. I don't believe Glen had any more power to talk Dave into who was in the band than anyone else. Dave has always done what Dave wants.
Nick also fully admits his addictions cost him a lot and not just his place in Megadeth. But once he got clean, once he got his mind back on track he became more than just the ex-drummer of Megadeth. Sure he might not have had commercial success but he also did not try to. He worked hard at not putting himself in the public limelight, he did what he did for himself and his family. He spent time creating music, creating instruments and creating an interest for him that didn't include bands. He did a few guest spots that were not done for publicity and he only chose to join Ohm when he realised it wasn't going to be "Ohm with ex-Megadeth drummer Nick Menza". He was sick of hearing his name and Megadeth in the same sentence whenever the press reported on him and he wanted to make sure that wasn't how people viewed Ohm.
No one will ever stop Dave being a dick, Dave does things for himself and doesn't give a shit what he says or how bad it makes him look. Selling another book which spends so much time rebutting Nick and Marty's comments, or comments others have said regarding those years in Megadeth wasn't rocket science, it's straight out of the Dave Mustaine playbook, he has to have the final say in everything. Good luck to him, it's his band he can say what he likes, he's also put in the hard yards and has very little to prove. But it looks less like a revenue stream and more like a baby spitting the dummy when you consider how many other successful streams of revenue the guy has which would no doubt make him so much more.
One also needs to define what "doing jack" means before they unfairly kick any ex member of any band. If a person can wake up everyday and be happy with themselves and what they do, be able to still make a living and survive, who says they aren't doing well in life. Measuring a ex member by how many more records they sell is only a single metric that can tell so little of a person. Both Nick and Marty may not have seen their name in the same lights after Megadeth but both were extremely successful in their own lives. If that's doing jack them sign me up!
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We don't write anything off around here, multiple songs from the bands listed have been littered through this and other threads.
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New Nervosa coming next year. New line up, cool cover, hope the album lives up to the previous efforts.
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/n...aos-album-unveils-guided-by-evil-music-video/
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/n...aos-album-unveils-guided-by-evil-music-video/
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Right. But Glen rightly complained about how lousy Nick was doing, and it wouldn't be fair to new members who are pulling their weight to accommodate older, messed-up members who aren't taking the gig seriously. No, Glen Drover did not put a gun to Mustaine's head but he helped convince him not to put up with it.
There are TONS of metal drummers who could do a great job in Megadeth. Hoglan comes to mind immediately, Tony Laureano also, and I'm sure there are many more. If Nick was at the top of his game and acting pro, it would've been awesome for him to rejoin the band, the way Ellefson did. If he's not, he doesn't deserve to be there simply because of past glories. Time to give someone new a chance to shine.
I'm not talking about commercial success. Marty has certainly done that, and I believe him over Mustaine when he says he would have to take a pay cut to rejoin the band.
I'm calling them failures for simply not releasing any music worth listening to. They are musicians, after all. Out of all of them, I would say Glen Drover did the best because I did actually think his solo album was quite good. That was also, what, 10 years ago?
I don't think Megadeth in 2020 is as lucrative a venture as you think. Tons of rock guys are writing these books because the music scene has fallen so far and with streaming so many expect to get all their music for free. Even Ellefson has written 2 books and gone on a solo tour.
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Voight Kampff I have but I'm not that into technical thrash.
Masterriff I've heard of but not listened too.
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Yeah that was a bit of a shit stir. It's not that he doesn't like them it's that he has better time management skills than Neptune and I who spend more time hunting the web for new shit to tell him about.
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Yeah he did say that, I just don't see it as making a huge difference to Mustaine. To me Mustaine has never come across as someone who is influenced by others thoughts. I also think at that time Mustaine was probably still pissed off with Nick and that would have influenced his decision more than any one person.
For sure, although I doubt Hoglan would put up with Dave's shit.
At the first reunion attempt Nick was far from his best because he was still messed up and not completely clean. By the second reunion attempt he was clean and very ambivalent about hitting the road with Megadeth. Nick had actually rejoined the band and cleared his schedule at the second attempt, but it was not to be after Marty didn't get what he wanted. Nick was however resigned because Dave wanted too, because Dave wanted to give the fans what they kept asking for and hopefully to recreate what they had done before. Others had been given a chance but Dave made the choice of going back to past glories, it just was not to be because of egos all around.
But plenty of people do like what Drover released. Plenty listened to Poland, to Menza, to Marty. Failure is a yardstick that can be measured so many different ways but myself I wouldn't call any of them failures simply because they do something I don't listen too.
Megadeth is not his only venture, he's got his hands in so many pies that writing books, which many report sell less than CD's, is hardly a lucrative deal for his future.
