This is fucked!!!!!

[jdelpi]

Blame the drug users for fucking up their own lives.

 

[MyHatred]

Blame the drug users for fucking up their own lives.

Then going by that logic he deserves what he gets. He is a DRUG DEALER so I highly doubt that he was a saint and didn't use himself. He fucked things up all by himself and his consequence is death. He probably lived longer then he would have if he was still out and about shooting up H.

 

[jdelpi]

Then going by that logic he deserves what he gets. He is a DRUG DEALER so I highly doubt that he was a saint and didn't use himself. He fucked things up all by himself and his consequence is death. He probably lived longer then he would have if he was still out and about shooting up H.

By that logic, you want to execute all drug users.

If he were a drug user (I can't connect to the article so I don't know if it has been proved that he was), then let him fuck up his own life. No need to execute him.

 

[jpike]

He fuckin deserves it. Drug dealing piece of shit.

 

[MyHatred]

By that logic, you want to execute all drug users.

If he were a drug user (I can't connect to the article so I don't know if it has been proved that he was), then let him fuck up his own life. No need to execute him.

No, that's not what I meant but I will just leave it at that. Let's just agree that we disagree. No point in getting in a death penalty debate. Neither side ever see's each others point anyways

 

[ThraxSA]

I feel for Nguyen's mother and family - you still love your kids, no matter what and will never get over it.

However, he made the choice to smuggle drugs and when you break the law you face the consequences for your actions.

Wether the death penalty is acceptable, well we all have our own agruments on that.


Some countries are more forgiving than others (in terms of punishment) but if he didn't commit the crime in the first place he would not be walking to the gallows today.

 

[DarbysDad]

He took the risk for $$$$ - that's why he did it - he knew the consequences of his actions.

I admit the death penalty may be harsh but I'll be damned if I cry over a dealer.

 

[prime666]

As the one rational one on this board I say FUCK EM. Hang him then cut up the body and use it as shark chum. Make other convicted dealers swim there in the nude with open wounds. Heroin, oh what fun.

 

[DeathsHead]

I just think hanging the guy over that is a little extreme. Life in prison maybe, but death by hanging?

As so many others have said, he knew what he was doing and took the risk. Most of us have heard the stories about how strick the asian countries are as far as drugs go. And its not like he was caught with a small amount of herion(personal use), with that amount he clearly intended to distribute--thus making him a drug trafficker.

What would having him serve a life sentance accomplish(besides saving his family some grief)? The only thing that that accomplishes is putting more of a economic burden on the state-the money to feed, house, medicate, etc this person.

 

[DumbAss]

It's freakin’ horrible what is about to happen.. or has already happened... to this poor fucker. But... less deserving people get far worse every day around the world. What kills me is when volunteers go to foreign countries to help them rebuild and they end up getting their fucking heads sawed off alive. These are the cases that really haunt me.

 

[jdelpi]

What would having him serve a life sentance accomplish(besides saving his family some grief)? The only thing that that accomplishes is putting more of a economic burden on the state-the money to feed, house, medicate, etc this person.

A life sentance shows the country is not a barbaric, backwards country stuck in the 18th century. In the United States, it costs more (in net present value) to execute people than to keep them in prison for life because we have things like civil liberties, trials by jury, right to counsel and appeals. You know, the things conservatives loathe. I don't know what it's like in countries where these things are not as highly valued.

 

[mrthrax]

geez they have plugged this story hard,its just at a time when story's about drug trafficking is selling newspapers here in aus,believe me other than a few hundred people no one in australia could give a flying fuck about this guy,whats worse is some dickheads are blaming our government for not doing enough,i suppose him being australia hasnt helped his causee,singapore dont like australia even though we are the first to help out any country in need,i say good on em,why should we want the guy back here,my taxes would have to pay for him to eat and watch tv in our system,the only person to blame is actually jhis brother,he was in heaps of debt so he tried to help him out of it...

 

[DeathsHead]

A life sentance shows the country is not a barbaric, backwards country stuck in the 18th century. In the United States, it costs more (in net present value) to execute people than to keep them in prison for life because we have things like civil liberties, trials by jury, right to counsel and appeals.

This case aside, who is more barbaric, the person that goes a kills a entire family or worse yet blows up a federal building that holds workers and a daycare or the jury of that persons peers that decide that death is the ultimate reponse to the crime. Also, it costs alot more to care(not court costs) for a prisoner(in the case of a life sentance-avg $30k a person per year) than it is to put said person to death. Am I saying that death is a sentance that should be imposed for all capital crimes, no I am not. It should be a case by case basis(as it is now). A person that commits murder and is convited shouldnt have civil liberites. Thats my opinion

 

[jdelpi]

This case aside, who is more barbaric, the person that goes a kills a entire family or worse yet blows up a federal building that holds workers and a daycare or the jury of that persons peers that decide that death is the ultimate reponse to the crime. Also, it costs alot more to care(not court costs) for a prisoner(in the case of a life sentance-avg $30k a person per year) than it is to put said person to death. Am I saying that death is a sentance that should be imposed for all capital crimes, no I am not. It should be a case by case basis(as it is now). A person that commits murder and is convited shouldnt have civil liberites. Thats my opinion

We're not talking about blowing up a building with people inside. We are talking about possessing a drug. That is why I said it was barbaric.

Of course it costs more for life in prison if you don't count court costs. The point is, you have to count court costs. It makes little difference whether the state spends the money on the court costs or the prisons. Either way, the state has to spend money. The whole argument is moot, anyway, as the guiding principle should be justice, not cost/benefit analysis. It would be cheaper to just put them in front of a firing squad when they are arrested, but that would be morally wrong.

I'm not necessarily opposed to the death penalty in principle (for murder, that is, not carrying drugs that people want to buy). But in practice, I am very skeptical of government power. First, I see what happens in Singapore. A man is hanged for possessing drugs that people want to buy. I'd rather have no death penalty at all than to have it for that. (This is the country that has outlawed chewing gum.) Second, I see the total lack of respect so many people have for civil liberties. You said people who are convicted of murder shouldn't have civil liberties, but civil liberties are meant to protect the people who are convicted of crimes they didn't commit. Do you think once a person is convicted, he should have no right to appeal? Third, if a person is in jail and is exonerated, he can at least be let free. If a person is executed, then it's too late. And what should the punisment be against someone who is responsible for the execution of an innocent person?

 

[Carcassian]

We're not talking about blowing up a building with people inside. We are talking about possessing a drug. That is why I said it was barbaric.


If a person is executed, then it's too late. And what should the punisment be against someone who is responsible for the execution of an innocent person?

1) Heroin dealers are fucking barbaric, selfish scumbags.

2) But I can't disagree with this point. The state shouldn't sanction death. It should be the paragon of virtue, but it isn't, and besides, Singapore has its own take on crime and punnishment - who am I to say theyve got it wrong when so many criminals walk free from our "legal system" ?

 

[DeathsHead]

I'm not necessarily opposed to the death penalty in principle (for murder, that is, not carrying drugs that people want to buy). But in practice, I am very skeptical of government power. First, I see what happens in Singapore. A man is hanged for possessing drugs that people want to buy. I'd rather have no death penalty at all than to have it for that. (This is the country that has outlawed chewing gum.) Second, I see the total lack of respect so many people have for civil liberties. You said people who are convicted of murder shouldn't have civil liberties, but civil liberties are meant to protect the people who are convicted of crimes they didn't commit. Do you think once a person is convicted, he should have no right to appeal? Third, if a person is in jail and is exonerated, he can at least be let free. If a person is executed, then it's too late. And what should the punisment be against someone who is responsible for the execution of an innocent person?

This debate is really unwinnable by either side

But to answer you, I do believe in the trial process, and the appeals process. To answer the question about punishment for a person that responsible for an innocents execution--depends on whether it was willful or not, if it was its a murder charge.

As far as civil liberites--if a person is convicted then they should lose all civil liberties except the right to appeal his/her conviction

 

[Arg_Hamster]

3. Hanged? He has to be hanged? WTF kind of sick country is this? They can't do a firing squad or lethal injection or anything that will be quick for him? No, he has to be hung, and I'm sure there will probably be a bunch of people watching. What an asshole of a country.

Hanging someone is quick, you break your neck. I don´t think that´s more barbaric than injecting poisons.

 

[Edward Yawn]

Are you all going to get a hard-on when you download the videoclip of this guy being hanged?

 

[spitzs lazy eye]

IMO death penalties should be for murderers, rapists and the like. For drug possession is a bit harsh. Yes, he knew the consequences and did accept them. Some call him a drug dealer, maybe, maybe not? So what! Every walk of life has drug dealers and all that shit. You probably live next to one? Whos the real dickhead anyway? Dealer or user? If the Singaporian laws came into effect in your country i'm sure it would be a freedom of speech etc bitch fest. I don't believe anyone should go to jail for 20 years for having a smoke of cannibus or why should anyone deserve death because you had drugs on them. Laws are fucking useless anyway beacause each and everyone will do what they fucking want. Right or wrong. Singapore has their own laws and whats done is done. Now something will change or this whole deal will die soon for most. We'll see. Don't forget: We are the people our parents warned us about.

 

[Arg_Hamster]

A life sentance shows the country is not a barbaric, backwards country stuck in the 18th century. In the United States, it costs more (in net present value) to execute people than to keep them in prison for life because we have things like civil liberties, trials by jury, right to counsel and appeals. You know, the things conservatives loathe. I don't know what it's like in countries where these things are not as highly valued.

Werd.

The US way of offing people must be the most expensive ever, the inmate will sit in prison for about 10 to 25 years before he get´s the needle.

On the other hand, China executes people for organ harvest. Bet both one or seven medical companies have done a little business on the side with them. Yet noone would call those comapnies barbaric for taking adavatage of peoples deaths. "Those organs can be used for developing new medicines".