This is fucked!!!!!

[spitzs lazy eye]

People have right because they can, but by law, no. make sense?

 

[DumbAss]

People have right because they can, but by law, no. make sense?

That's what I'm saying, what it comes down to really is whether or not you have the legal right. If you don't, then you're not free to do it. But, that doesn't mean you won't do it anyway.
Man can I ever complicate an issue hey?

 

[spitzs lazy eye]

That's what I'm saying, what it comes down to really is whether or not you have the legal right. If you don't, then you're not free to do it. But, that doesn't mean you won't do it anyway.
Man can I ever complicate an issue hey?

Not in Singapore. Hahahaha.

 

[ThraxSA]

Well, I don't think the drugs should be illegal and do think people for the most part have the right to use which drugs they want. Regardless, if people do not wish to associate with those who use such drugs, they should be allowed to do that.

Stating the obvious but .......

Drugs are illegal because they are dangerous and worst case scenario they can kill you. The other thing to consider is that someone under the influence of drugs can have an impact on someone else (e.g driving under the influence ). Innocent people are injured or killed because of someone else's decision to excercise their right and drink, sniff or inject something.

Doesn't win me over to make all drugs legal......

 

[Carcassian]

1) They may be selfish, but that's not against the law. Barbaric? As I have pointed out, he only had heroin because that's what people want to buy. The man had no criminal record before this, and he never committed any acts of violence. Maybe he was a "bad" person, but again, he never used force against anyone.

2) Good. But don't fall prey to this moral relativism. If it's wrong, it's wrong, regardless of which country. Singapore has even given the death penalty for the possession of a pound of marijuana. Again I must scream "willing seller, willing buyer."

1) It IS barbaric and selfish. The whole "market forces" argument is a bit week. It's like saying some people want to buy child porn over the internet, and if they only want it for themselves only, then it's ok. I would hope that it's commo sense that it isn't.

2) I'm saing that I can't really impose my morality on another culture I know very little ago. My ancestors did that in the Victorian era, and I'm sure it didn't do much good. I can't help being morally relatavistic because morality is relative and subjective - without human perception there is no morality. I don't see crocodiles debating the morality of eating young cattle.

 

[Carcassian]

Well, I don't think the drugs should be illegal and do think people for the most part have the right to use which drugs they want. Regardless, if people do not wish to associate with those who use such drugs, they should be allowed to do that.

Have you ever met a Heroin addict ? I'd like a laissez faire style of government, but allowing free and easy access to this sick shit would be societal suicide.

 

[Arg_Hamster]

I don't know, I still say hanging someone is harsh. I would much rather catch a bullet to the heart then be hung.

That´s exactly what they want people to thing, hanging someone shows how much the government in Singapore despise a heroin-courier. If he was convicter for manslaughter maybe they´d shot him (I don´t know what their punishments scale is).

 

[Carcassian]

That´s exactly what they want people to thing, hanging someone shows how much the government in Singapore despise a heroin-courier. If he was convicter for manslaughter maybe they´d shot him (I don´t know what their punishments scale is).

Yeah, but as you said earlier in the thread (im too lazy to quote it!) Hanging is actually ver quick, being as it is a quick method of death due to broken neck rather than asphyxiation.

I think you're right about the symbolism though. I think that hanging is probably more humane than electric chair execution, from what I read...

 

[Arg_Hamster]

1) It IS barbaric and selfish. The whole "market forces" argument is a bit week. It's like saying some people want to buy child porn over the internet, and if they only want it for themselves only, then it's ok. I would hope that it's commo sense that it isn't.

2) I'm saing that I can't really impose my morality on another culture I know very little ago. My ancestors did that in the Victorian era, and I'm sure it didn't do much good. I can't help being morally relatavistic because morality is relative and subjective - without human perception there is no morality. I don't see crocodiles debating the morality of eating young cattle.

I find these debates we have interesting. Jdelphi and you both have some points. I belive the government should stay out of peoples lifes and business as much as they can when they are not asked to help. But then I think about childpornogaphy, driving under influence, pollution and things like the right to defend yourself.

Maybe moral is a luxury. If you have to choose between starving and living if you are a crocodile, hunger will win and you drag the cattle to the bottom. And if you are a person deciding if your company should relocate I suppose the moral kicks in when you want to help the people you fire get new jobs.

 

[Arg_Hamster]

Have you ever met a Heroin addict ? I'd like a laissez faire style of government, but allowing free and easy access to this sick shit would be societal suicide.

I think so too, if we let controlled substances free the state shouldn´t pay money for getting people clean. Since it´s not imoral, not a crime and was a personal choice.

 

[Arg_Hamster]

Yeah, but as you said earlier in the thread (im too lazy to quote it!) Hanging is actually ver quick, being as it is a quick method of death due to broken neck rather than asphyxiation.

I think you're right about the symbolism though. I think that hanging is probably more humane than electric chair execution, from what I read...

Yes, killing is killing but there is symbolism in the way you off people. And hanging is seen as a unnoble way to get rid of someone, and is often reserved for warcriminals, massmurderers and people involved in the drug-trade. I wonder if he´d be hanged if he was some high roller for a major corporation like SONY.

 

[Carcassian]

Yes, killing is killing but there is symbolism in the way you off people. And haning is seen as a unnoble way to get rid of someone, and is often reserved for warcriminals, massmurderers and people involved in the drug-trade. I wonder if he´d be hanged if he was some high roller for a major corporation like SONY.

After the spyware cd debacle, I think hanging would be too good for them.

Death by making them listen to their awful artist roster...

 

[Arg_Hamster]

After the spyware cd debacle, I think hanging would be too good for them.

Death by making them listen to their awful artist roster...

You inhumane bastard!

 

[DumbAss]

After the spyware cd debacle, I think hanging would be too good for them.

Death by making them listen to their awful artist roster...

That's cruel and unusual punishment.

 

[lokey]

hey at least you guys have rights to moan about

in the uk we have no rights at all, the govt can pretty much do what they want if they wanted......we dont even have the right to free speech........ahhh democracy, doesnt it smell great?

the whole drugs debate gets on my ass.......you either into itor not, and no beef either way, the argument that it gets other people killed is pretty random unless you also argue that booze should be eardicated from this earth

"kill someone, save a life
dont do drugs, drink all night"

etc etc

 

[jdelpi]

1) It IS barbaric and selfish. The whole "market forces" argument is a bit week. It's like saying some people want to buy child porn over the internet, and if they only want it for themselves only, then it's ok. I would hope that it's commo sense that it isn't.

2) I'm saing that I can't really impose my morality on another culture I know very little ago. My ancestors did that in the Victorian era, and I'm sure it didn't do much good. I can't help being morally relatavistic because morality is relative and subjective - without human perception there is no morality. I don't see crocodiles debating the morality of eating young cattle.

1. No, it's nothing like child porn. The child porn involves children being forced into pornography. That's a far more serious wrong than a person choosing to get involved in drugs.

2. We'll have to agree to disagree. I think people have rights, regardless of where people are born and under which government they live. Rights are natural and people are created with them. Therefore no government may infringe them. If you don't agree, I can't help you.

 

[jdelpi]

Have you ever met a Heroin addict ? I'd like a laissez faire style of government, but allowing free and easy access to this sick shit would be societal suicide.

So the solution is locking up drug addicts in prison where they get fucked in the ass and given AIDS?
Drugs are bad, no doubt. But allowing government to control the whole situtation has led to countless rights being violated and non-violent people being locked away in jail with much more violent people while police have incentives to focus on non-violent drug crimes rather than violent crimes.

 

[jdelpi]

Stating the obvious but .......

Drugs are illegal because they are dangerous and worst case scenario they can kill you. The other thing to consider is that someone under the influence of drugs can have an impact on someone else (e.g driving under the influence ). Innocent people are injured or killed because of someone else's decision to excercise their right and drink, sniff or inject something.

Doesn't win me over to make all drugs legal......

We don't make alcohol illegal just because people can drink and do stupid things. The stupid things are still illegal and always should be. I never said driving and doing drugs should be legal. That's a straw man. The US tried to make alcohol illegal and found that there was a very large increase in crime related to the alcohol being illegal (not the alcohol itself). That has been the same experience with drugs. We've even gotten involved in another country's civil war (Columbia) thanks to the war on drugs.

Oh, and nobody has ever overdosed on marijuana, but lots of people overdose on alcohol.

 

[AlexStomp]

1. No, it's nothing like child porn. The child porn involves children being forced into pornography. That's a far more serious wrong than a person choosing to get involved in drugs.

2. We'll have to agree to disagree. I think people have rights, regardless of where people are born and under which government they live. Rights are natural and people are created with them. Therefore no government may infringe them. If you don't agree, I can't help you.

We may have disagreed in the past on certain issues. But I have to agree with you 100% on all of this. Thumbs up.

 

[AlexStomp]

We don't make alcohol illegal just because people can drink and do stupid things. The stupid things are still illegal and always should be. I never said driving and doing drugs should be legal. That's a straw man. The US tried to make alcohol illegal and found that there was a very large increase in crime related to the alcohol being illegal (not the alcohol itself). That has been the same experience with drugs. We've even gotten involved in another country's civil war (Columbia) thanks to the war on drugs.

Oh, and nobody has ever overdosed on marijuana, but lots of people overdose on alcohol.

Damn dude. Twice in one thread! 420 bitches !!!!!!!!!!!!