This Modern Life: A Parable in Three Sentences

[kmik]

Platonism works in reverse, in my opinion... Reality is confused, we assign labels to make it clearer. There are no actual horses, and surely no 'ideal' horses - much less universal, unchanging concepts like justice which is a human invention (Plato thought it wasn't...)

Plato still understands absolute reality in human terms... the fact he calls the ideal horse a horse is notable. Because we are able to picture the universals in our minds. They exist as thoughts. Kant and Schopenhauer tell us its not true... the "will" and "thing-in-itself" (pretty much indentical concepts, except the will is all the things-in-themselves, since separation between things is also a human construct) are abstract, but Plato's universals can be imagined even though they dont exist (I mean, they dont exist in our physical reality)

Plus, Plato is a DUALIST. The universals and physical reality are two DIFFERENT things. For later philosophers they're two sides of the same coin

 

[death metal black metal]

Plato sees the supreme reality of ideas in terms we can understand and feel with our senses.

This is saying the same thing as Schopenhauer: we have input devices, but must construct our model of reality from knowledge.

 

[kmik]

I'm afraid we're not having any kind of discussion here. That's partly due to my bad English and partly due to you continually distorting everything I say so that it fits your alternative world view.

 

[death metal black metal]

I'm afraid we're not having any kind of discussion here. That's partly due to my bad English and partly due to you continually distorting everything I say so that it fits your alternative world view.

Some say twisting words, some say counterargument. If you can't tell the difference, you're right: any meaningful discussion is over.