this whole fucking metal got to get fucking bigger, more shows, have to be played to all ages of audiences. We must a metal community work together to do this. So this means we may have to play shows with non metal bands to get new fans so why don't we. I f just stick to the confines of the metal crowd we surely be missing out on much more oppurtunity than what we have. It's also up to those other hardcore punk bands to open there minds and understand this. We can all help each other. So spread the word around about shows with metal bands and get some reactions on the go people. thanks for your time