Ukraine - European soccer championship 2012

Emdprodukt

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Cool, now we can all enjoy the championship 2012 since they got rid of all those nasty dogs:

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Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with those guys. It makes me hate people so fucking much. It really makes me so sad I could cry.
 
I don't think they get any use out of killing the dogs, like meat and stuff...
Also seems they don't give a shit about "less cruel" methods (however that can be with ending a life blablabla)
But then again: Seal hunting ect
 
Don't know about you guys, but these folks in the picture kinda look asian. This is wrong of course, but false accusations on Ukraine isn't right either. I think those photos were actually taken in China(or nearby).
 
The same happened in China and Greece a few years ago (or at least it caught media attention back then); probably it's still going on. They seem to have huge problems with stray dogs and cats and it's kinda bad for tourism. I think I've seen these pics before so I guess they are from back then.
So, all this is nothing new at all...they have been killing stray dogs and cats in the Ukraine and other countries for years.

@Mago:
In China they kill cats and dogs in order to sell their fur (majority of it gets sold in Europe by the way). Are you opposed to that?
Also, I don't see how the methods they use are relevant here. People are shocked because they believe that killing other beings for pure financial purposes (tourism in that case) is worse than killing them because of their taste...and because it's about dogs of course.

As I said before, this is a very good example of moral schizophrenia.

The notion that we should not eat meat or any products, including
dairy and eggs, may appear to be radical and relative to our
prevailing norms of behavior, it certainly is so. But relative to what we say
we believe as a moral matter, it is not radical at all. In fact, when it comes
to animals, our thinking is characterized by significant degree confused and
delusional thinking, or what we call ‘moral schizophrenia.’

We all ostensibly accept the notion that it is morally wrong
to inflict ‘unnecessary’ suffering on animals. This moral principle is embraced
by almost everyone and is so uncontroversial that it is embodied in the law of
most nations through anticruelty laws.[...]

There may, of course, be disputes about what constitutes
‘necessity’ but if this concept is to have any meaning whatsoever, it must rule
out the imposition of suffering and death on animals for reasons of pleasure,
amusement, or convenience. If these reasons are not excluded as justifications,
then the moral rule is without coherence. We can see this in the human context.[...]

The problem is that in the case of nonhuman animals, the
overwhelming portion of our animal use can only be justified by pleasure,
amusement, or convenience. Our most numerically significant use of animals is
for food. Humans kill an estimated 53 billion animals worldwide every year in
connection with the production of meat, dairy, eggs, and other animal products.
This number does not include the billions more of fish and other aquatic
animals.

There is absolutely no necessity for this suffering and
death.[...]

http://www.opposingviews.com/arguments/animals-our-moral-schizophrenia
 
I personally think it was a wrong descision to go with Poland and Ukraine as organizing country.
1. Both countries, especially Ukraine, have a real high corruption rate in their authorities, Poland not so much tho.
2. Infrastructure is far below average.
3. The money being pumped into this event can better be used to fight general poverty.
4. Border passing on Ukraine is a nightmare. Standing in line for 2 days is something normal for them!
5. Possibly least important but both countries don't qualify for a Euro Cup on regular base.

I've been on tour through Ukraine several times, there hasn't been a minimum of 200km we can travel without being pulled over, and needing to pay-off the police officer to continue, just because you have a dutch/eu number plate. After our first tour we reserved about 250 euro's just to be able to pay off all the police officers. As for border patrol, we were lucky to have money or cd's and give about 10 away to certain points at the border patrol which really helped us minimalizing the 2 days hold up to a 12 hour hold up at the border. That 12 hour wait included being lead to a garage about 1 km away from the actual border patrol with about 10 soldiers, fully armed waiting for us. We needed to pack out all of our gear, clothes and other accessoiries spread it out on the ground. After that they got in a dog to check for drugs, tried to take away the diabetes medicine from one of our band members and telling us it was drugs. After much yelling they finally understood it was noth an illegal drugs, but needed for him to survive, we needed to call a friend in Ukraine that knew English to explain them what it was for, since most of them don't even speak English.

Assigning the World Cup 2018 to Russia and the 2022 to Quatar is more evidence of the destruction that money has on football. You now can buy your tournament, instead of earning it.
 
The whole UEFA is fucked up, even tho they supposedly did something against the killing of the dogs. This organisation is ruled by fools, same as the FIFA. Fuck that shit, still hope Germany wins it :D
 
Don't know about you guys, but these folks in the picture kinda look asian. This is wrong of course, but false accusations on Ukraine isn't right either. I think those photos were actually taken in China(or nearby).
I was going to say exactly the same thing.
But I'd kill these assholes regardless of where they're from.

@ruonitb
It's not about the killing, it's about the unnecessary torture.