Using my new amp to record guitars. (6505+ 112 combo)

[abaz]

Hi, I've been around this forum for a while now (never posted, only reading to try settings, waiting to have something to share too, to have feedbacks.)

But lately I found this amp and decided to buy it, stopping using ampsim.

So my questions are :
- I have a simulated mic output behind the amp (which is supposed to simulate a mic micing the cab at a certain position, don't remember the exact one.)
I'd like to use this to play guitar when it's late, using one of the line input of my soundcard, that is to say I'd like to unplug the cab so I get the sound only through my headphones.
Everytime I do this, I hear at a very low volume, the raw sound coming from the amp, the sound with no cab, would it damage the amp to unplug the cab and to use it this way ?
That's my first real amp I wouldn't like to mess with it (I've only used my v-amp to play outside of my DAW to practice.)


- As my room is kind of small, and that I have to push the amp a little louder than what I'd like to have a grat punchy sound and the amount of gain I like, can I plug directly one of the output to my soundcard, then using it with an impulse ? Same thing, I'd like to use this amp even when it's kind of late.

Seems to me some guys do it, but I'm afraid to damage my soundcard.

Thanks for your time !

 

[abaz]

I'm kind of disappointed with this, anyone to help me out ?

 

[Trevoire520]

Dude. NEVER use your amp without the speaker connected! EVER! If you don't have a dummy load attached your amp WILL DIE!

Really a 60 watt valve combo isn't the kind of thing you buy for playing in your bedroom late at night, it's designed for gigging and practicing, use your V-amp when you're in the house and need to keep the volume down.

You can take the fx send from the cab and hook it up to the line input of your soundcard to use impulses, but you've still gotta have the cab connected. I've not used the mic simulated output on the 6505 combo but I'd guess it sounds pretty bad (they do on most amps to be honest)

Some amps will pass signal through the preamp while in standby, allowing you to use the fx send silently, but I'm not sure if the 6505 does this.

 

[abaz]

Dude. NEVER use your amp without the speaker connected! EVER! If you don't have a dummy load attached your amp WILL DIE!

Really a 60 watt valve combo isn't the kind of thing you buy for playing in your bedroom late at night, it's designed for gigging and practicing, use your V-amp when you're in the house and need to keep the volume down.

You can take the fx send from the cab and hook it up to the line input of your soundcard to use impulses, but you've still gotta have the cab connected. I've not used the mic simulated output on the 6505 combo but I'd guess it sounds pretty bad (they do on most amps to be honest)

Some amps will pass signal through the preamp while in standby, allowing you to use the fx send silently, but I'm not sure if the 6505 does this.

I disconnected it like 1 minute and plugged it back when I heard the noise, waiting to have more info, 'cause it seemed wrong, but I guess (or rather hope) it didn't really hurt that bad doing it that quickly
I've been looking for answers and every single website told me the same, so I guess I'm not going to do that again, but I heard about loads, especially THD hot plates, I guess it might be kind of expensive ?

(I didn't buy it to play late at first, but with the mic simulated I thought it would still sound better than my v-amp :/)

I always wanted a 6505+ or a powerball head, as it seemed that a lot of ppl where using heads with impulses, and the combo seemed a nice deal to me, but I never heard about loads until tonight..


(and this amp doesn't let the signal pass while in standy, I just tested)

 

[derfbonker]

Don't disconnect the speaker. Plug the line out or fx send to your computer (you should use a direct box for this, but it shouldn't hurt anything if you don't). Use an impulse loader, and enjoy.

 

[Trevoire520]

The noise the amp makes isn't really the problem, this is just something that all valve amps do as far as I'm aware.

What you could do is disconnect the speaker and connect a dummy load instead. It's cheap and easy to do. Read ALL of THIS thread and you'll know how to build one yourself (some of the diagrams at the start are WRONG! so make sure to READ ALL OF IT!)

You'll still have the mechanical noise from the amp, but at least you won't have a speaker blaring at you.

 

[Brender500]

on my peavey ultra what i would do is go from fx loop send to my interface and turn the master volume all the way down and use my pre gain or post gain(i forget which one to control the volume out of my headphones

 

[abaz]

on my peavey ultra what i would do is go from fx loop send to my interface and turn the master volume all the way down and use my pre gain or post gain(i forget which one to control the volume out of my headphones

Thing is, I don't have a master volume knob !

The noise the amp makes isn't really the problem, this is just something that all valve amps do as far as I'm aware.

What you could do is disconnect the speaker and connect a dummy load instead. It's cheap and easy to do. Read ALL of THIS thread and you'll know how to build one yourself (some of the diagrams at the start are WRONG! so make sure to READ ALL OF IT!)

You'll still have the mechanical noise from the amp, but at least you won't have a speaker blaring at you.

The sound is still low enough to le me record the way I'd like.
I've read half the thing and I'm finishing it now, and that's really interesting, I'd rather do that than buying a 400 euros THD for sure.
But would it make any change to the sound using this ? I saw a guy talking about adding a line outn would it be better than the fx send ?

I'd really like to take the most of the "head" (as I told you, I bought this because I can afford 600 euros for an amp, but not twice this price for an head, I'd really like to use this like it's only an head, and to know I have a cab to work micing etc from time to time.)

(btw, thx to enlight me.)

Don't disconnect the speaker. Plug the line out or fx send to your computer (you should use a direct box for this, but it shouldn't hurt anything if you don't). Use an impulse loader, and enjoy.

Does a DI box enhance the sound or would it justi prevent my audio interface from gain damage ?

 

[Trevoire520]

But would it make any change to the sound using this ? I saw a guy talking about adding a line outn would it be better than the fx send ?

It shouldn't change the sound at all. Having a line out in the dummy load will bring the sound of the poweramp tubes into the equation. It might sound better but I wouldn't say it's essential as the squashy power amp distortion doesn't play much of a part most modern metal tones.

Does a DI box enhance the sound or would it justi prevent my audio interface from gain damage ?

A DI box will take the unbalanced signal from the amp and turn it into a balanced signal for a mic preamp. You should be fine just going from the fx send to the line in though.

 

[abaz]

It shouldn't change the sound at all. Having a line out in the dummy load will bring the sound of the poweramp tubes into the equation. It might sound better but I wouldn't say it's essential as the squashy power amp distortion doesn't play much of a part most modern metal tones.

That is to say using the fx send wouldn't use the tubes ?

I'ma try this as soon as I got the dummy load then.
Thanks to the thread you sent me I have a friend ready to make me one.