Using the same guitar di multiple times
- Thread starter MEGA DAVE
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I have. I prefer using seperate DI performances. It can get wierd. I'm sure it's phase issues and/or comb filtering, but even with correcting that it still sometimes just sounds "off".
ahjteam
Anssi Tenhunen
Machinated
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i think it always sounds wrong in my experience, some guys have done it and liked the results. kind of weird phasey sound (as would be expected i guess).
i always shoot for another performance if im blending amps.
i always shoot for another performance if im blending amps.
Emdprodukt
Member of Dude Castle 69
In my last project I reamped the same DI through my Krank Rev and my 5150. STRANGE results when I was blending them. First it was phasey. I tried to align them but I found it to be impossible even with a high zoom factor because both tracks looked really different. I don't know why but I had to flip the phase on one of the tracks for the left guitar, but not for the right guitar. Still don't like the results too much.
What if this were the scenario, say you have your two di tracks (right and left) and you re amp them twice, say each one goes through a 5150 then through a cleaner gained amp sim. What would happen if you kept them both on their propriety side or perhaps flipped one of the re amps, panned them in, then reduced their volume? Btw this is all just out of curiosity
Emd, when I reamp I always place a quick feedback blip at the beginning of each di signal so that I can assure proper alignment, try that next time for.alignment
Just finished up a guitar re-amping session for my bands ep. 2 actual guitar tracks, 2 amps and 8 total tracks after the re-amping to make the sound. If your having trouble using the same performance through multiple amps then you probably have a problem with your Audio Interface reporting incorrect round-trip latency figures to your DAW and the tracks aren't coming back into the DAW at the same time. Its easy to fix that. I've never any interface correctly report to the daw. Could be part of the problem.
For our ep we used a 5150 and a Single Rec through a mesa os. Both performances were run through each amp twice, with different settings each time. 5150 dominated the tone but there is no phase issues that I have ever encountered, been doing this for years.
For our ep we used a 5150 and a Single Rec through a mesa os. Both performances were run through each amp twice, with different settings each time. 5150 dominated the tone but there is no phase issues that I have ever encountered, been doing this for years.
nialldoran
Member
i have to resort to this at times too if clients have only tracked one guitar track becasue of either sloppyness or not knowing to track it more before coming to me, or just plain not listening to me 
but as the above said i havent had any phase problems anyway, to me it doesnt sound as good as two or four separate performances but not phase issues..........yet
but as the above said i havent had any phase problems anyway, to me it doesnt sound as good as two or four separate performances but not phase issues..........yet
Emdprodukt
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ArthurD
Member
Well, i've got some freakin' results when blending different amps... BUT i've got awesome results when using 6505 powered with tube screammer for gain and blended with a dual rectifier raw, to get that ultra clear riffage...
DanLights
Santa Hat Forever
This song has two performances, each re-amped twice (with ampsims), personally I really like the result and I did it that way because I wasn't getting the fullness and dirtyness I was wanting with just one ampsim on each side. I guess obviously it would've been better if there would've been 4 performances tracked, but there weren't. The copied performances are on the same side (L1, L2, R1, R2), and L1 has the same amp and settings as R2, and viceversa
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/954292/Music%20samples-stems/Mine%20to%20others/DanLights%20Bloodsoaked%20Mix%202.mp3
This is just a test/practice mix from a thread in this forum btw, not a payed job or anything, I was experimenting
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/954292/Music%20samples-stems/Mine%20to%20others/DanLights%20Bloodsoaked%20Mix%202.mp3
This is just a test/practice mix from a thread in this forum btw, not a payed job or anything, I was experimenting
Yes, track a di signal of feedback and just make sure it's a hard cut so that it's just a waveform spike
so it should look similar to this:
egan.
daylightdies.com
Some amps are 180 out of phase with others. That'll catch you if you aren't careful b/c slipping can't really fix it.
Dexter_prog
New Metal Member
so, if I am getting this right, this is basically doble-tracking and copying those tracks so that there are 4 and then L1 & L2 = 6505 + recto (and vice-versa)? Isn't this basically what everyone advices not to do (contrary to quad-tracking)? It does sound really good!
When I did it, I aligned them through slipping but also tested them by flipping the phase. Even after I got them lined up and in phase with each other, it still didn't sound as good as the Quad tracked performances. Perhaps it was the tightness of the rhythms since both amps were the same performance, but the biggest thing to me was it seemed like the stereo width of the guitars was reduced or "felt" that way compared to the quad tracked performances. I'm sure it was more because there were only 2 performances rather than 4 as much or more than the idea that 2 amps per DI were used.
egan.
daylightdies.com
Yeah, it won't sound like quad tracking no matter what. It could be total bullshit but I've had better luck flipping the phase of the DI (rather than the recorded track after the fact).
DanLights
Santa Hat Forever
yeah that's pretty much it, L1 and L2 are the same DI with different amps/processing, same with R1 and R2. L1 and R2 are the same processing but different DIs, same with L2 and R1. I'm sure it could've sounded better and "bigger" if it was done on 4 separate DI performances, but there weren't, and when mixing it just two amps wasn't quite cutting it for me, so I tried this out and liked the result. I didn't find any phase issues, but I guess it's because it's ampsims and not real amps, the phase issues come up when you're actually mic'ing the amp right?
I tend to double track and reamp each track twice to have 4 tracks of 2 tones.
just have to be careful. carefully set gain levels, panning and proper use of the Haas Effect is what will save you most of your phase issues.
I'd rather just double track if I don't do the for-said process.
I don't prefer to quad track since it turns the tracking process into an ordeal that takes twice as long with subtle differences.
some may argue that the difference isn't subtle. but it really is when it comes to where it really matters: the untrained ear. aka the real listeners who are gonna want to buy the record.
just have to be careful. carefully set gain levels, panning and proper use of the Haas Effect is what will save you most of your phase issues.
I'd rather just double track if I don't do the for-said process.
I don't prefer to quad track since it turns the tracking process into an ordeal that takes twice as long with subtle differences.
some may argue that the difference isn't subtle. but it really is when it comes to where it really matters: the untrained ear. aka the real listeners who are gonna want to buy the record.
