Very sad......

[Purveyor Of Evil]

Forced to like your country no matter what's wrong with it.
Forced to like every single step the government decides to take.
Forced to accept and like every single policy the government creates.

You're not even from here. Don't preach American politics to me.

 

[Barking Pumpkin]

This is how dictatorships work......"the leader is the country. If you say anything against the leader, you're saying something against the country." No, that's wrong. And that's why the US was formed, because the people are the country and they control the politicians, not the other way around.

 

[AngraRULES]

You're not even from here. Don't preach American politics to me.

Preaching American politics? You asked a question and I simply answered it. What another stupid dumb statement dude....seriously.

It's not like I'm trying to teach you shit... I simply answered your question. Tried to explain what I said....

 

[Purveyor Of Evil]

This is how dictatorships work......"the leader is the country. If you say anything against the leader, you're saying something against the country." No, that's wrong. And that's why the US was formed, because the people are the country and they control the politicians, not the other way around.

And? Who's a dictator here?

 

[Kenneth R.]

Fight for what? Is there another civil war I'm not aware of? I think you need some anger management. So much hostility in such a young man.

don't make me go copy and paste the entire declaration of independence for your sorry ass.

your condescending attitude only further exemplifies your ignorance for the basis of your own country's government.

fight for what? the very reason this country was created. the very freedoms we drove the european Empires out to secure. those things are gone, we have allowed invasion of an Empire from within. we have become what we sought to rid ourselves of. if you don't see that, you are blinded by the pseudopatriotism that so tarnishes our country.

a flag is a collection of colors, a government is a set of systems and offices. these things are ultimately meaningless, what a country IS is its people. and our people have become slaves to the state. the state matters more than the people, and the people support it! fools! they all bought into the brand "America! Free and Bold! #1 Everywhere!" when what made America great was its people, not its government. if you fail to see that you are lost.

 

[Purveyor Of Evil]

Preaching American politics? You asked a question and I simply answered it. What another stupid dumb statement dude....seriously.

It's not like I'm trying to teach you shit... I simply answered your question. Tried to explain what I said....

I'm far from stupid. But, I will not let anyone, whether American or foreign rag on my country! For all of our rights and wrongs, we are the greatest country on this planet!

 

[DementiaGuitar]

PoS should just tour the US without Daniel. Judging from the BE dvd, Johann can handle Daniel's vocals! That's assuming the rest of the band members are fine with fingerprinting. If not...I dunno, time for a new favorite band?

So I'm only being half-serious. But I'm just sticking up for my belief that DG is being childish. One man sticking up for his beliefs can change the world, after all, right?

Edit: Wow, this post got posted a lot later than when I submitted it, for some reason. Sorry to whoever already posted the idea of PoS touring without DG

 

[AngraRULES]

fight for what? the very reason this country was created. the very freedoms we drove the european Empires out to secure. those things are gone, we have allowed invasion of an Empire from within. we have become what we sought to rid ourselves of. if you don't see that, you are blinded by the pseudopatriotism that so tarnishes our country.

a flag is a collection of colors, a government is a set of systems and offices. these things are ultimately meaningless, what a country IS is its people. and our people have become slaves to the state. the state matters more than the people, and the people support it! fools! they all bought into the brand "America! Free and Bold! #1 Everywhere!" when what made America great was its people, not its government. if you fail to see that you are lost.

Excellent post.

 

[AngraRULES]

I'm far from stupid.

I didn't call you stupid. I said your statement was stupid. It takes very little to realize that.

But, I will not let anyone, whether American or foreign rag on my country!

To rag on someone's country is different than to disagree with some of its policies (I think it's the 7th time I say that today...)

For all of our rights and wrongs, we are the greatest country on this planet!

If you're so sure about it, good for you. Every empire that stated that before had to bite their own tongues. Be aware of that.

 

[Purveyor Of Evil]

don't make me go copy and paste the entire declaration of independence for your sorry ass.

your condescending attitude only further exemplifies your ignorance for the basis of your own country's government.

fight for what? the very reason this country was created. the very freedoms we drove the european Empires out to secure. those things are gone, we have allowed invasion of an Empire from within. we have become what we sought to rid ourselves of. if you don't see that, you are blinded by the pseudopatriotism that so tarnishes our country.

a flag is a collection of colors, a government is a set of systems and offices. these things are ultimately meaningless, what a country IS is its people. and our people have become slaves to the state. the state matters more than the people, and the people support it! fools! they all bought into the brand "America! Free and Bold! #1 Everywhere!" when what made America great was its people, not its government. if you fail to see that you are lost.

First of all, don't start insulting me, Kid. Don't like it? Do you? I read previous posts. See, now your immaturity is coming out because you feel the need to insult me.

 

[Barking Pumpkin]

And? Who's a dictator here?

I'm not talking about the US. It's why the US was created. Because other countries were represented by a monarch, dictator, leader, whatever. The emblem of the country was whoever that person (people) was. But that's not how the people who created the US thought it should be. Because the people are the country.

 

[Barking Pumpkin]

I'm far from stupid. But, I will not let anyone, whether American or foreign rag on my country! For all of our rights and wrongs, we are the greatest country on this planet!

That makes you sound really bigoted. Do you think there's such a thing as a true American? No.....except for the Native Americans. America is a melting pot, and you're no more or less of an "American" whether you're born here or if you moved here and became a citizen.

 

[Kenneth R.]

First of all, don't start insulting me, Kid. Don't like it? Do you? I read previous posts. See, now your immaturity is coming out because you feel the need to insult me.

if explaining what has transpired in this country and how different it is from what was initially intended, and what we somehow stupidly STILL believe exists has insulted you, then perhaps you have realized what is happening. you should feel insulted that your freedoms and your rights have been taken away to the sound of thunderous applause and cheering U S A

 

[Purveyor Of Evil]

That makes you sound really bigoted. Do you think there's such a thing as a true American? No.....except for the Native Americans. America is a melting pot, and you're no more or less of an "American" whether you're born here or if you moved here and became a citizen.

Give me a break. A little melodramatic on your part. Don't you think?

 

[AngraRULES]

Oh.. and by the way...

Why the fuck do you call your country "America" ? Why don't you just say USA?

To my knowledge (and to the rest of the world's knowledge) America is simply the three Americas (South, Central and North) together. What gives you the right to call yourself "America" ?

 

[Purveyor Of Evil]

if explaining what has transpired in this country and how different it is from what was initially intended, and what we somehow stupidly STILL believe exists has insulted you, then perhaps you have realized what is happening. you should feel insulted that your freedoms and your rights have been taken away to the sound of thunderous applause and cheering U S A

How do you figure? I come and go as I please. I go where I want. When I want to go there. There's never anyone stopping me.

 

[Kenneth R.]

that's always bothered me as well. people talk of the prosperity of "America" when in reality, they really mean the United States, or the United States, Canada, and possibly Mexico. America is 2 continents, not 1 country.

 

[Jim LotFP]

Do you think there's such a thing as a true American? No.....except for the Native Americans.

They walked here from Asia.

 

[Kenneth R.]

How do you figure? I come and go as I please. I go where I want. When I want to go there. There's never anyone stopping me.

nobody fingerprinting you? nobody suspecting you for anything? no paperwork? hmmm? i wonder if you even vote.

 

[lady_space]

Why is it stupid? If someone bitches about where they are and they're unhappy, then the solution is to leave. Makes sense. Apparently things must be better elsewhere. They can go there then.

Or, uh, duh, try to fix the problems where they are.

I'm so sick of the "if you don't like it, leave" attitude. :b

Shaye