Waves Vocal Rider and wave rider

[Seth Munson]

Any have this? would you recommend it?
It looks really promising and Im considering getting it, but if its complete shit I think I will save the money.

I am also curious if it works with screaming vocals, if not no bid deal

-Seth

 

[Sinister Mephisto]

Yeah. Sounds cool. I also like Waves "Mix everything for you so you don't have to bother with creative input or effort whatsoever" plugin. Seriously, sounds like a terrible idea to me. It's not something that there's an algorithm for. Riding vocals is a process that should be based on how it makes the song feel and what compliments the specific part, not standardizing the entire level of the track through out the song. Seems stupid to me!

Sorry for the rant. haha.

 

[JonWormwood]

Yeah. Sounds cool. I also like Waves "Mix everything for you so you don't have to bother with creative input or effort whatsoever" plugin. Seriously, sounds like a terrible idea to me. It's not something that there's an algorithm for. Riding vocals is a process that should be based on how it makes the song feel and what compliments the specific part, not standardizing the entire level of the track through out the song. Seems stupid to me!

Sorry for the rant. haha.

So you've never smashed a vocals with a comp before :Smug:

 

[Sinister Mephisto]

Of course I have. but then I rode the level after the compressor. I used the compressor to change the feel, envelope and and tone of the vocal. I didn't use it to decide the level of the track. I used my ears for that. Even Waves says it's not the same thing as a compressor.

 

[Ermz]

This plug-in isn't about riding the vocal to give you vibe. It's about leveling it transparently to give you a consistent output throughout the song.

I really liked the idea of using it first in the chain, and THEN smashing it so you get less pumping related artifacts from your compressor. After this you can just automate it normally as you would via your DAW channel fader/automation lane.

This is counteractive to how Waves suggest doing it, but sounds a lot more logical to me.

 

[joeymusicguy]

i think this plugin will be more useful on anything but vocals

i limit my vocals.

 

[Josh M.]

I have it. At the start I thought it was a great idea. I use before everything else just to level stuff out...
It does what I want it to (save the compressor from smashing the crap out of a spike in the level of the vocal), but I think I may be due to buy a proper vocal mix.

EDIT: I am a little disappointed that I got it, but I cans till use it. My advice would be save your money and do it manually/learn how to use compression and limiting on vocals effectively.

 

[derekmoffat]

i think this plugin will be more useful on anything but vocals

i limit my vocals.

what is your vocal chain? limiting vocals.. its new to me. tell me more!

 

[Josh M.]

As in you stop them from going over a certain level (volume wise) which keeps dynamics under control - you don't always want them to be really really quite and then really loud within a matter of a few seconds.

 

[derekmoffat]

As in you stop them from going over a certain level (volume wise) which keeps dynamics under control - you don't always want them to be really really quite and then really loud within a matter of a few seconds.

i know what a limiter is
i was just wondering why he chooses a limiter over a compressor and what his vocal chain consisted of.

 

[arv_foh]

hey joey can i get your vocalz presets pl0x?

 

[AntonioPetrole]

hey joey can i get your vocalz presets pl0x?

lolololol i hope thats a joke

 

[arv_foh]

lolololol i hope thats a joke

Indeed, I forgot the sarcasm tag

 

[GarethSE]

BECAUSE SARCASM DOESNT TRANSLATE OVER THE INTERNET NIGNOG >:{

 

[joeymusicguy]

lawl

 

[006]

I am still interested in this plug as well, but I think doing it the way Ermz described is probably the best use of it. As of right now I setup every vocal chain with RVox (gate/compressor combo), apEQ and then Event Horizon to limit them. I wonder how well Vocal Rider would work on say a snare drum...

 

[arv_foh]

this guy made the plug before waves but it's pro tools only (and a lot cheaper)

http://www.automaticmixing.com/

 

[Seth Munson]

Just a heads up everyone, I wasnt talking about slapping this plugin in my chain and leaving it at that. Of course I would still be compressing/limiting, doing my own riding. but I was just curious if this, and after I do all my editing, would make it sound even better?

and I wanna play with this thing on Solos/leads!

 

[kaomao]

Lol
Well it's a joke of course.
Never took a look at this plugin from them?
http://www.waves.com/Content.aspx?id=9945

this good plugin just do automation, you set a db range for your vocals and bam it writes down the fader riding across the entire song.
Price? just 415$ lol
They're fucking crazy, how can you let people pay that much for this?

Waves - Jews for a reason

 

[muckypup1]

The waves mercury pack is $8000

All the Waves shit is WAY over priced, its very good stuff, but damn you could buy actual real recording gear for th eprice of some of their plugs!