What American political party should I register for?

[Furious B]

Threw away?!!! oh, wtf man...WTF!

That's what I'm saying!!1 SERIOUSLY??!! WHO IN BA!>!?

 

[Jim LotFP]

Basicly it breaks down to: If the people that voted for somone other then Democrat/Republican in the Bush election, had voted against Bush, there would have been a much better chance no one would have had to deal with him. Instead, they voted for their small parties which had absolutly NO CHANCE OF WINNING EVER, and now bitch about having Bush as president.

I bitch about Bush, and I would have bitched about Kerry. Both choices were equally disastrous to me.

I voted AGAINST both of them, and FOR somebody else.

And I did it in a "battleground" state. ooooo.

That my choice was not going to win made no difference to me. This isn't a poll about who you think other people will vote for, it's not about being on the winning side.

It's about casting a vote for the person who you feel would be the best President. If everybody did that very simple thing, without worrying about whether their person had a chance of winning or not, the political landscape, especially on the local and House of Representatives level, would look very different.

 

[KILL TULLY]

It's about casting a vote for the person who you feel would be the best President. If everybody did that very simple thing, without worrying about whether their person had a chance of winning or not, the political landscape, especially on the local and House of Representatives level, would look very different.

Yea, but thats not going to happen.

 

[Jim LotFP]

Yea, but thats not going to happen.

Oh well. Not my fault.

This is kind of the reason why I agreed to move to Finland. The Bill of Rights is in tatters. The US will be enjoying its 60% tax rates soon enough anyway. Finland's less likely to get involved in every hot spot on the face of Planet Earth. Why stay in the US?

 

[Furious B]

If you don't vote Democrat or Republican, your just wasting your vote. Not that this has to do with voting really. Sorta does. Nemtheanga.

This is such a horseshit attitude. Really, okay, here's an analogy: You throw a pebble into a pond. It starts out as a very small ripple. As it starts moving towards the shore, it becomes bigger. The size of the impact that that one pebble had is three times as big as when it was thrown in. The next time you throw a larger rock in. This time it starts our bigger. As it moves towards the shore, it no longer is a ripple, but a wave. This oligarchy system is the same thing. A vote to a third party is throwing a pebble in and making very tiny waves. The next time around, with more recognition, more money, a little bit more power, you get bigger rocks to throw in and thus the wave becomes bigger.

Honestly, this is a take-it-in-the-ass douchebag way of thinking. Many, MANY people hold this and it's exactly for this reason NOTHING ever changes. I can understand where you're coming from and I disagree completely.

 

[KILL TULLY]

This is such a horseshit attitude. Really, okay, here's an analogy: You throw a pebble into a pond. It starts out as a very small ripple. As it starts moving towards the shore, it becomes bigger. The size of the impact that that one pebble had is three times as big as when it was thrown in. The next time you throw a larger rock in. This time it starts our bigger. As it moves towards the shore, it no longer is a ripple, but a wave. This oligarchy system is the same thing. A vote to a third party is throwing a pebble in and making very tiny waves. The next time around, with more recognition, more money, a little bit more power, you get bigger rocks to throw in and thus the wave becomes bigger.

Honestly, this is a take-it-in-the-ass douchebag way of thinking. Many, MANY people hold this and it's exactly for this reason NOTHING ever changes. I can understand where you're coming from and I disagree completely.

I understand that arguement, but it won't happen. Sorry. Feel free to vote for whoever you want though, obviously.

 

[Reign in Acai]

Tully, these idealists think they are "making" a difference. Take your heads out of your asses and realize that voting for some shlub who has zero chance at winning is just a waste of your Tuesday morning. Most people are not going to convert their way of thinking away from a 2 choice election. Hence your voice is powerless. It's not a pebble in a pond. It's a pebble in a tidal wave. And that wave is coming right at you. Fuck we live in a world where more people know about the simpsons than their own constitutional rights. You actually think you can make a change on a grand scale? The only change you have control over, is the change you can initiate upon yourselves. That's why I say the hell with politics. Just make sure I don't get an atomic bomb dropped on me. That's all I truely care about.

 

[Furious B]

Tully, these idealists think they are "making" a difference. Take your heads out of your asses and realize that voting for some shlub who has zero chance at winning is just a waste of your Tuesday morning. Most people are not going to convert their way of thinking away from a 2 choice election. Hence your voice is powerless. It's not a pebble in a pond. It's a pebble in a tidal wave. And that wave is coming right at you.

Whatever. As if being a complete defeatist has done anything of any consequence in this world. If you want to believe that your actions are inconsequential, then by all means do nothing. Vote for someone you don't feel should be in office. But I can bet that if people actually saw a glimmer of hope that they can have a chance at putting someone into power that they want, it might be that kick in the ass that people need. People just don't see that glimmer of hope. Furthermore, if I were to vote for a 'lesser of two evils' candidate, I would be throwing my vote away anyhow because it's NOT what I want, so why not endorse someone I agree with?

You actually think you can make a change on a grand scale? The only change you have control over, is the change you can initiate upon yourselves.

Yes, and I actually agree with the second part. I can only change myself yes, but I can do my part and my best in putting forth the effort to change something that I don't like. It takes a long time for things to change, so why not push it in the right direction? Even if it is just 1 degree? That is a change.

That's why I say the hell with politics. Just make sure I don't get an atomic bomb dropped on me. That's all I truely care about.

I'm the same way. It's just, I put in my vote for someone that I feel should be in office, as everyone should. After that, I'm done.

 

[lizard]

libertarianism will never work, because it is totally based on a pie in the sky idealism. kind of like communism.

and if you mopes don't vote, don't bitch about stuff. you haven't earned the right.

 

[Krilons Resa]

That's what I'm saying!!1 SERIOUSLY??!! WHO IN BA!>!?

LMAO...Lay off the drunk dude.

I completely agree with your above, more elaborate posts. Keep fighting the fight and nevermind the rest of the cop-outs.

 

[En Vind Av Sorg]

Nothing can ever change if everyone keeps "going with the flow," and some of us just cant fucking do that. However its more likely that some sort of natural disaster/bloody revolution/nuclear war incident will be the factor for change in this country before us lazy fucking americans actually can commit to anything.

 

[MadeInNewJersey]

Political pressuring is the reason the two party system is en vogue. Either you're a gun worshipping god freak (nothing wrong with guns) in a tux or a tax spitting asshat who's too afraid to speak up to the neo-cons (taxes are good to a point.)

That's how its wrong. They try to make everything black and white so no one can see there are subtle shades in between.

The republicans are stupid, and the dems are too scared to do anything about the issues at hand.

Are these your words, or what you believe THEY think of how we perceive them?

 

[MadeInNewJersey]

And I did it in a "battleground" state. ooooo.

Finland?

 

[KILL TULLY]

Political pressuring is the reason the two party system is en vogue. Either you're a gun worshipping god freak (nothing wrong with guns) in a tux or a tax spitting asshat who's too afraid to speak up to the neo-cons (taxes are good to a point.)

That's how its wrong. They try to make everything black and white so no one can see there are subtle shades in between.

The republicans are stupid, and the dems are too scared to do anything about the issues at hand.

Yea, and the Libertarians and Green Party have accomplished sooooo muchhhh throughout the years, compared to the Democratic party. uke:

PS: Who is "they"?

 

[lizard]

a two party system beats a million party system where you have to have coalitions which break down all the time, like in Italy and Israel.

 

[KILL TULLY]

a two party system beats a million party system where you have to have coalitions which break down all the time, like in Italy and Israel.

The Two Party system to me is one of those things dumb-hippies fight against to change, then when it gets changed, realize they are dumb-hippies because the new way doesn't work any better.

 

[lizard]

that's a human thing, not just a political thing.

 

[KILL TULLY]

that's a human thing, not just a political thing.

Yea, but this is an example.

Just like people still fight so hard to show how Communism/Socialism is so good and will save the world blahblahblah, when every country that is run by that type of government is pretty fucked, and all the proof shows it just doesn't work. Still be people say "But, but but, this that the other."

 

[Erik]

no make no mistake

a two party system IS retarded

 

[KILL TULLY]

no make no mistake

a two party system IS retarded

Its only a two party system because the entire fuckin' USA makes it that way. Theres about a megabajillion parties out there, and as many people in this thread have said, anyone can sign up and vote for 'em, to change the woooorllllddddd!