What does Blackguard do when not touring? (aka the thread that won't die)

[nomisofsiman]

I agree that overexposure is bad unless the fans are always clamoring for more. And if you didn't like the output the first time, I doubt you'll like it the second or third time barring evolution of the band.

I don't like Blackguard or Into Eternity. I do like Powerglove.

here's what gets me about these US tour packages. First, why would you have a more extreme band opening for a power metal band? What, there are NO power metal acts that can join these tours? Why aren't Seven Kingdoms or Theocracy all over the country on these tours?

And is there any reason why European bands can't be packaged together as on the abortive Sonata/Nightwish tour? Or Strato/Pagan's Mind? Why does a band like Leprous open for Edguy? Or Blackguard for Kamelot? Bringing Amaranthe to the US would be much cooler.

I agree. Having a more extreme band doesn't make sense on these power metal tours. Unfortunately, the reason as is the case with a lot of things is money. A lot of the bands mentioned as being overexposed are bands that are actually paying to be on the tour. The bands you mentioned who should be touring more on these types of tours probably either don't have the money to pay their way or don't think it's big enough of a risk. Sad but true in most cases. I do give Strato lots of credit for bringing Pagan's Mind on last year and I definitely give Blind Guardian lots of credit for putting on Seven Kingdoms and Holy Grail for this tour. Unfortunately, most bands don't do this.

 

[dcowboys311]

You give the bands credit?

Or you give their respective booking agencies credit?

 

[skyrefuge]

B-I-N-G-O!!!
Isn't this what I have been talking about all week Neil?????

No, you've been saying that touring decreases the size of your fanbase. That the 5'4" kid should stay out of the weight room because it will *reduce* his chances of making the football team. You have a list of bands that you're keeping secret from me who decreased an existing fanbase to zero by playing too many shows.

Yes, if you suck, heavy touring still won't make you a star, and may kill the band. But that would be due to financial issues or internal stresses, not because they turned their fanbase against them. If you suck and you tour *less*, as you've been recommending, your fanbase will be even smaller.

Touring as an opening act will *always* increase the size of your fanbase (unless you're Drudkh!) However, if you suck, the cost you pay to acquire each new fan may be too high to be sustainable over the long term. You agree with me on the second point, but not the first.

Anyhow, if you've now changed your argument and really *do* agree with the first point as well, please tell me that I'll never hear you again say that getting on too many tours as an opener has a net negative effect on a band's fanbase.

Neil

 

[AngraRULES]

I definitely give Blind Guardian lots of credit for putting on Holy Grail for this tour.

I do give credit for that too. It gave me plenty of time to socialize and grab a bite to eat while Holy Grail played. Must thank Blind Guardian.

 

[Claus / Intromental]

here's what gets me about these US tour packages. First, why would you have a more extreme band opening for a power metal band? What, there are NO power metal acts that can join these tours? Why aren't Seven Kingdoms or Theocracy all over the country on these tours?

Because the booking agent of most of those tours don't offer it to any bands that aren't signed to his company?
Because it's too expensive to jump on most of those tours?

Why does a band like Leprous open for Edguy?

Why? Ehmmm, they don't ...

 

[Claus / Intromental]

There's just way too many fish in the sea of overtouring.

What is "overtouring"? You've been talking about it for 21 pages now Jason ... You can not OVER-TOUR ... you can tour a lot, and some people (like you and your 2 friends) might take offense to it, but you imply that everyone who tours a lot tours too much. For the past 21 pages I've been trying to beat this into your head - when will you realize that you're expressing your personal thoughts and beliefs in a wrong way?
c.

 

[Diabolik]

You can over tour. Last night Evile was a perfect example. They were the band before the headliner and while people cheered and stuff, the other bands got much, much, much more crowd response and people trying to get a pit going and stuff. For Evile people kind of just stood there. As I said in another thread...Evile even joked about playing 4 times in Chicago this year and the last time they played in front of 10 people. So if touring is helping them....why only 10 people???

 

[dcowboys311]

Cool. In Atlanta they had a better reception than Gama Bomb and Bonded by Blood.

But I guess that Chicago is the end-all-be-all of the metal market? Whatever Diabolik sees at one show in Chicago is entirely representative of the current state of affairs?

 

[Diabolik]

Cool. In Atlanta they had a better reception than Gama Bomb and Bonded by Blood.

But I guess that Chicago is the end-all-be-all of the metal market? Whatever Diabolik sees at one show in Chicago is entirely representative of the current state of affairs?

Chicago is a big metal market.....why do you think bands are always playing here.

 

[Claus / Intromental]

But I guess that Chicago is the end-all-be-all of the metal market? Whatever Diabolik sees at one show in Chicago is entirely representative of the current state of affairs?

Correct.

 

[Diabolik]

Correct.

glad we see eye to eye on this.

 

[dcowboys311]

Chicago is a big metal market.....why do you think bands are always playing here.

Lots of cities are big metal markets.

 

[Claus / Intromental]

Chicago is a big metal market.....why do you think bands are always playing here.

Because they like to play in front of people with construed opinions?

 

[dcowboys311]

Also, I assume that the show with Forbidden had more than 10 people.
If last time they played to 10 people, and this time they played to more than 10 people...
Overtouring is hurting their draw?

 

[Diabolik]

Lots of cities are big metal markets.

that is why on almost every tour thread here people are always saying "they are skipping my city again????"

face it....the whole reason people are so up in arms is the fact that a few of us pose and opinion that isnt the one most of the sheep on here back. If you say touring doesn hurt bands.....why didnt I or others go and see Evile / Bonded By Blood in October when they were playing a better show in November? If they were not playing in November I would have been at the October show but knowing they were coming back I didnt race to go see them. So did lots of people. People at the show were even asking about thier october show and it was all the same response....."I knew I would be seeing them in November with Forbidden". If that doesnt prove a point I dont know what will.

 

[Diabolik]

Also, I assume that the show with Forbidden had more than 10 people.
If last time they played to 10 people, and this time they played to more than 10 people...
Overtouring is hurting their draw?

Evile played for 2 big crowds as an opener early in the year and the spring. Then thier first show back in the fall drew 10 - 20. Forbidden is what drew people to the show. Is it that hard???? Sure Evile are a good band with some talent behind them, but playing here every other month is not helping them get people to see them. Out of the 4 bands they were the one who had the weakest response last night....just sayin.

 

[Claus / Intromental]

face it....the whole reason people are so up in arms is the fact that a few of us pose and opinion that isnt the one most of the sheep on here back.

Okay, you win. There's no way we can talk any sense into you - you just made yourself out to be "the victim" which is the oldest trick in any online discussion. Awesome. Stupidity reached a new level.

Thanks for playing. Good luck with whatever you think you're doing ...

c.

 

[Diabolik]

Because they like to play in front of people with construed opinions?

BINGO.....this answers this whole thread point. People have opinions. I know this bothers you because you want to "BE" that guy with all the answers and have people kissing up to you.

 

[Diabolik]

Okay, you win. There's no way we can talk any sense into you - you just made yourself out to be "the victim" which is the oldest trick in any online discussion. Awesome. Stupidity reached a new level.

Thanks for playing. Good luck with whatever you think you're doing ...

c.

Proving my point.

 

[dcowboys311]

And on almost every tour thread, you'll find even more people saying "SWEET I'LL BE THERE!!!"

Good to know that anybody who doesn't share your opinion is a sheep.

Did you ask every single person why they chose not to attend the Evile/Bonded by Blood show in October? Did you take a poll? Or are you just making assumptions of their reasons for not attending?
Was it a weeknight? How much was it? Where was it? Who were the other bands playing? What time did it start? Did you stop to think that maybe some of these factors played into people's reasons for not going?

But nope. It's overtouring.