What if...

Giodee

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the life we see now is just an illusion, and to die is to awaken from that illusion? What if we imagine the people we interact with every day? Everything that happens is a product of our imagination, and reality does not exist on this plane.
God I'm high.
 
You're not high. Your immediate discredit informs me of something about you, and represents a part of a trend I've noticed in myself. To put it short, I don't think you're entirely wrong but what if the illusion itself is illusion, to mask something real? I know that may not make much sense but if the illusion wasn't real, what would we be staring at? The absence of something, perhaps, or what we call a Shadow?

Now...What's this shadow thing all about? Is it perhaps the waters? Is shadow actually an object we can't see?
 
I think the more important and relevant question is: if what you say is true, what are you going to do about it?

People always talk about these kinds of topics, trying to wrap their minds around this metaphysical clusterfuck and consider the implications. But the question that always comes to me when this scenario is raised is: what the hell are you or anyone going to do about it?
 
I am going to live as I please, Einherjar. If life is just a product of my imagination, I've got nothing to be afraid of. If it's not, at least I'm living.
 
Well y'know there is a way to find out if the world is imaginary or not. Unfortunately if it isn't you will be fucked. :lol:
 
This following quote will tell you about death, Giodee. I despise this version but I suppose I can respect it enough to say it says what I want to say. Just remember it's NOT a transliteration, it's like reading King James:

Then Death, being androgynous, mingled with his (own) nature and begot seven androgynous offspring. These are the names of the male ones: Jealousy, Wrath, Tears, Sighing, Suffering, Lamentation, Bitter Weeping. And these are the names of the female ones: Wrath, Pain, Lust, Sighing, Curse, Bitterness, Quarrelsomeness. They had intercourse with one another, and each one begot seven, so that they amount to forty-nine androgynous demons. Their names and their effects you will find in the Book of Solomon.

And likewise, here is life:

And in the presence of these, Zoe, who was with Sabaoth, created seven good androgynous forces. These are the names of the male ones: the Unenvious, the Blessed, the Joyful, the True, the Unbegrudging, the Beloved, the Trustworthy. Also, as regards the female ones, these are their names: Peace, Gladness, Rejoicing, Blessedness, Truth, Love, Faith (Pistis). And from these are many good and innocent spirits. Their influences and their effects you will find in the Configurations of the Fate of Heaven That Is Beneath the Twelve.

Understand this, and become the living or the dead, accordingly. And we won't know, Aapep. I'm willing to bet money that it depends on conflict for slavery to continue.
 
Well y'know there is a way to find out if the world is imaginary or not. Unfortunately if it isn't you will be fucked. :lol:

How about imagining this: you are born of gods and put on the Earth to prove that you are worthy to go back to join the gods as a god yourself. It is a test. How do you think you should live your life to prove you are worthy? Do you live like that? If not, then why not?
 
It would seem to me that all biological evidence combined with reality would make these pointless thoughts. I think perhaps too much dosage of sci-fi could have taken place. The thing to know is that in the end none of this matters.
 
How about imagining this: you are born of gods and put on the Earth to prove that you are worthy to go back to join the gods as a god yourself. It is a test. How do you think you should live your life to prove you are worthy? Do you live like that? If not, then why not?

I would work hard to live the way I want. And I do already.
 
It would seem to me that all biological evidence combined with reality would make these pointless thoughts. I think perhaps too much dosage of sci-fi could have taken place. The thing to know is that in the end none of this matters.

I like this quote. But I don't really see how it's pointless if it only builds on ones self image, the thoughts conceived of other thoughts mingling with your human brain.

If I may, only you control what fate has in store for you. You can choose to abandon these thoughts but then fate steers for you :p
 
Oh, I've contemplated things like this at one time, but it didnt take long to see the reality, as hard as it is to embrace... becoming nothing more than dust in the wind. Still I know non religious people that believe in spirits/ghosts which is a curiosity in itself. A bit around the corner from this idea of imagination or life being little more than a dream but then somehow seems related. Myself I believe we are nothing more than evolved organisms that age and eventually cease to exist. Perhaps the spirit goes on to live in some dream or nightmare world but I wouldnt put much stock in it, knowing the brain needs blood flow to operate. So bleak and one should not really spend much time on such negative thoughts. Perhaps the reason for mankind creating his various Gods... "what is the meaning of life?", the greatest ponderance of man.
 
It's surprising how many people are seekers of lies - comfortable warm lies that allow them to sleep peacefully. Nihilists are seekers of truth. We prefer to be awake and to look at things directly. It may seem masochistic, but that’s how we get our kicks. We reject illusionary concepts of reality. Reality is not something anyone can ever be certain that they have grasped - but it’s the thought that counts. Being mere mortals, and not omnipresent gods, we can only ever have a subjective interpretation of all the stimuli we encounter - as Kant explains well in his philosophy of transcendental idealism.

People who prefer to believe in lies, or simply to trust in a worldview passed on to them, often sense that there may be certain facts that they lack the courage to accept. Arguably, the human brain has evolved to prefer a mental construct of the world that makes them feel special and safe. We have difficulty in grasping concepts like the millions of years that the evolution of human kind itself has taken, because we are designed (by natural selection) to be preoccupied with events on a much shorter timescale. This is related to the way that we prefer to downplay long term threats and concentrate on the present - which is one reason for the lack of action against the creeping crises that are coming to a head on this planet. We have a “vain brain” - a phenomenon whereby we easily forget or overlook our own mistakes and flatter ourselves - an adaptation to help protect us against depression. And religion is also reflective of the need in most people for a belief in supernatural forces that influence the world and lessen the role of mere mortals in shaping destiny - an abdication of responsibility. Nihilists can see that these biological/psychological safety devices are limiting, and if we have the strength to handle certain concepts that are too awesome and overpowering to the crowd, we may find that to our advantage.

This reminds me of an idea by Douglas Adams, in his Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy series of novels: the Total Perspective Vortex. This is supposed to be the worst torture device any sentient being can experience. It demonstrates to the victim their own insignificance in proportion to the infinity of the universe.

Nihilists, although accepting of the fact that we grasp reality subjectively, strive for a holistic view in which we first wish to see our place in the entirety of the universe. But it doesn’t kill us, or particularly torture us to do this. Perhaps that’s because it’s beyond the capacity of any human to be objective enough to let it crush us. But really: what does size matter? Even if you were the size of half the universe, why would that really be of such existential significance?

We nihilists see ourselves as part of Nature’s chain of life with potential to affect all kinds of things, just as a butterfly fluttering on one side of Earth can cause a series of events leading to a hurricane on the other side of Earth. We are not isolated individuals standing apart from Nature. Humanity’s attempts to master Mother Nature only bring setbacks. We can work WITH her however.

There is no morality in Nature, but there are rules. Observation of the laws of Nature is a sensible basis for an evaluation of what is appropriate and inappropriate. This is why a holistic view is crucial to a consistent and well-adjusted mind.

There are other interpretations of what nihilism is . They are negative and about rejection of life ( what Nietzsche called the “no to life”) through cynical fatalism or the will to destroy society rather than about being constructive. For us at the British Nihilist Underground Society, nihilism is the basis upon which we build a positive vision for the future.
http://www.*********/tribes/uk/entry/151/Why_we_are_Nihilists