What kind of metal is the world lacking?

timok

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I am Timo Komulainen, a musician from Finland. I have benefitted of these forums as a lurker, this being my first post here. Ultimate Metal forums stand out to me as a place of much knowledge in matters of metal music.

I have a somewhat novel business idea I would like your input on. What I have learned pursuing a career in music is that you need to serve the needs of others to make a living. Creating a freaky mix of different genres is cool in a way, but finding an audience for it can be a serious challenge. I want to create music for an existing audience that, upon having a taste of the upcoming release, a demo of sorts, will fund its creation. I'm thinking a crowd funding website such as Kickstarter might be a good way to go.

As for possible styles and their combinations, anything is possible: Perhaps something between industrial and black metal with influences from a band or two? What about pirate metal with sci-fi influences? Hell, how about pirate ninja metal to start a glorious new genre? I'm not picky: I like music of almost all sorts. What I cannot stand, however, is music lacking sincerity. Even if I compose with a specific genre and audience in mind, I still require my music to be true, strong and unique. You can add all kinds of little twists to an existing style, giving it a fresh sound while retainig its identity and keeping my work interesting. I am confident in my ability to discover the essence of a genre, whatever people dig in it, and then have it as an infuence in creating new music.

Primarily I work alone in my home studio, using a mix of recorded and sampled instruments to compose my tracks. I am experienced in different styles of singing and have the means to record them dry. I mix and master myself as well. However, depending on available funding, it would be possible to hire a professional drummer, other vocalists and instrumentalists. Perhaps even someone else to produce, mix and/or master the music. Sky's the limit.

Now, what do you think of this idea? Do you know of others who have or are doing something similar (in the realm of metal)? What kind of music do you know that has a solid audience but lacks releases of equally solid quality? Any and all input is appreciated.

You can listen to my music or see my playing/singing my visiting one or more of the following links:
https://soundcloud.com/omniavatar
http://www.youtube.com/omniavatar
http://www.youtube.com/mad00002
http://www.youtube.com/timokomulainen

(I tried to pick the most fitting forum for this thread. The subject area is broad, so I chose to post in general discussion.)
 
If you're looking to play music that is marketable to a wide audience and your ultimate interest is turning a profit, you may want to look into other styles. Metalheads have a low tolerance for music that is not written with sincere passion for the craft, and you're likely to find yourself dismissed as a poser.

Dubstep's still pretty popular and Vocaloid is releasing English voice packs for Miku this year. Maybe you should look into that kinda stuff.
 
A lot of people proclaim themselves metalheads and seek out passionless things actively. Not that I would call metal a good accessible choice for marketing music, but...yeah...it's not inaccessible for that reason.
 
Progressive epic Forest Post black viking sludge metal.
How imaginative. ;)

If you're looking to play music that is marketable to a wide audience and your ultimate interest is turning a profit, you may want to look into other styles. Metalheads have a low tolerance for music that is not written with sincere passion for the craft, and you're likely to find yourself dismissed as a poser.

Dubstep's still pretty popular and Vocaloid is releasing English voice packs for Miku this year. Maybe you should look into that kinda stuff.

You must have misunderstood me. I would never write music I do not like. Since I appreciate practically all genres of metal, I can take pleasure in writing in different genres. This in turn translates into music that is genuine and sincere, even if it has been written within certain constraints.
We all need to make a living somehow and I have chosen to do it writing music. If what I write is likable both to me and others, all the better. I see no difference between what I suggest and the way any established metal act functions, as they must also be working to serve their audience to have become successful.

Any other thoughts?
 
I'm positive that what this music needs more of are duets: Either back and forth vocals, ones which are in harmony, etc - particularly of the male/female duet.

Moreover, we need crossover. We need an album that is progressive, and goes into all elements - tells a story, gets thematically and sonically appropriate depending on what is going on. Sounds silly, and a lot of progressive bands attempt it, but imagine creating soundscapes which intertwine with metal.

More "adventure" sounds - imagine track one is an intro where you are walking into a house - you hear the old creaks, the weird sounds, the ticking of a clock, etc. Then from a corner of your ear you hear a guitar wailing - make it sound like it's coming from a different room, make it sound like you're approaching it, make it sound like you're opening the door, make it almost like a MOVIE
 

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damn, totally forgot about Odinist. and just for the record, i know darkspace's shit, i just haven't listened to the albums in quite a while and i totally didn't think about them when i made that first post.

and on that note, i'ma shut'n up and revisiting 'em.
 
I'm positive that what this music needs more of are duets: Either back and forth vocals, ones which are in harmony, etc - particularly of the male/female duet.

Moreover, we need crossover. We need an album that is progressive, and goes into all elements - tells a story, gets thematically and sonically appropriate depending on what is going on. Sounds silly, and a lot of progressive bands attempt it, but imagine creating soundscapes which intertwine with metal.

More "adventure" sounds - imagine track one is an intro where you are walking into a house - you hear the old creaks, the weird sounds, the ticking of a clock, etc. Then from a corner of your ear you hear a guitar wailing - make it sound like it's coming from a different room, make it sound like you're approaching it, make it sound like you're opening the door, make it almost like a MOVIE

Nice!

I like the duet idea. I also think harmonies produced by multiple vocal lines can sound really cool, especially if two or more of them are solo-like in nature (not straight choir-like notes).

I'm also for crossover. To create something genuinely novel and interesting, you need to combine without fear. There will always be those ready to ridicule, but it's often only time that will tell the true worth. Actually, each of my published albums is constructed around a story, which progresses chronologically track by track.

The last idea is interesting as well, even if hard to pull off. I can see two major risks in using extra-musical sounds. First, if you do it, do it really well. I've heard some really cheesy implementations that just cheapen the music itself. Second, it can end up restricting the way you interpret the music. I think it is important to leave the "meaning" of each piece of music somewhat vague. It's a wonderful thing when each person can, potentially, find something unique from a piece of music. If you are lead to a certain interpretation through the use of sound effects, lyrics or other hints, well, that's it then. Kind of same as watching the movie version instead of reading the book. ;)

Anyway, thanks a lot for this! You gave me something to work with.
 
To honestly answer your question:

Progressive/technical Sci-fi Thrash. Vektor are really the only current band that are masters of this.

But I agree with Eligos.
 
I think the world now lacks for Glam Metal and Hard Rock in the 80's way, but from my point of view, you should play the music that you want, without thinking such absourd things. Sincerely, this kind of questions make you look like a poser.
 
We need more real southern metal, not talking about sludge metal or groove metal. We also need latin metal to be bigger and have more interest.