Josh Burgess
Member
do some new chinas! there seemed to be a bunch of complaints about those too... seems to be a lot of new hi hats each time. let's get some chinas
Whats the difference between slate 2.0 and 3.0??
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Ouch!
I'm use to it. It never fails, I'll wait forever and when I finally give up waiting, the price drops big time the next week or a better and newer version for the same price pops up.
I thought it was only me.
Loving the samples though! Are the Z2's just the main sample with a lot more overhead sound?
Lasse Lammert
HCAF Blitzkrieg
ha....just bought HD...my fav musticstores told me something new will be coming very soon, Digi doesn't even ship interfaces etc atm, so apparently we're really close to seeing something new from digi
.on the drums...cool stuff, haven't used the vsti since I never work with midi/programmed drums.
gotta say that I like most of the snares in 2.0 better than in 3.0 though....but that's just taste and you can always keep your version of v2.0, just make sure to copy 3.0 samples into a different direction cause the samples are named exactly the same (although they sound VERY different sometimes),
Machinated
Member
I'm only using the slate stuff ONLY for replacement purposes, I'm still finding the superior 2 sampler to be leaps and bounds ahead of everything else right now. well worth buying the slate samples, there really is nothing else comparable, and really the price is incredible for what you are getting. i saw on gearslutz something about some briscati reverb processed stuff.....any news on this steven? this sounds very appealing to me!
i understand that slate's position on the resale of samples is not unique, however that doesn't make it any less flawed.
first of all, assuming that your customers are criminals (that most people would sell the samples, yet keep a copy), is inherently a bad business model.
i may be citing a bad example, when i say that people resell cubase (SX3 and Nuendo 3 are probably the most pirated audio apps out there!), but steinberg are still in business, and are very successful. more importantly, if i decide to stop this hobby, i can sell my copy of CS4 (probably not for so much now.. heh).
what i meant by the legality of it, was this; if you buy something, you own it, and you're free to do what you want with it (a large amount of software and digital stuff in general seem to be moving, for some reason, away from this). EULA's that restrict these actions, like resale, affect these consumer rights. maybe this only counts for "new" products, but it seems anti-competitive too (say you want to change to a different set of samples, at about the same price, you can no longer sell your old set to buy the others - it's sort of a lock in).
at the end of the day, slate's decisions aren't unique, he's subscribing to a large following that thinks these practises are benefitial to their company's survival (and to any business person, you'd want to do anything you can to protect your businesses interests). even if he changed his mind, i doubt it would have much of an impact.
i wish things were in a better state, really!
thanks,
first of all, assuming that your customers are criminals (that most people would sell the samples, yet keep a copy), is inherently a bad business model.
i may be citing a bad example, when i say that people resell cubase (SX3 and Nuendo 3 are probably the most pirated audio apps out there!), but steinberg are still in business, and are very successful. more importantly, if i decide to stop this hobby, i can sell my copy of CS4 (probably not for so much now.. heh).
what i meant by the legality of it, was this; if you buy something, you own it, and you're free to do what you want with it (a large amount of software and digital stuff in general seem to be moving, for some reason, away from this). EULA's that restrict these actions, like resale, affect these consumer rights. maybe this only counts for "new" products, but it seems anti-competitive too (say you want to change to a different set of samples, at about the same price, you can no longer sell your old set to buy the others - it's sort of a lock in).
at the end of the day, slate's decisions aren't unique, he's subscribing to a large following that thinks these practises are benefitial to their company's survival (and to any business person, you'd want to do anything you can to protect your businesses interests). even if he changed his mind, i doubt it would have much of an impact.
i wish things were in a better state, really!
thanks,
This cymbal thing is really confusing. I tested a lot of other drum sample software last week and in my honest but biased opinion, my cymbals were killing... Hat 2 and Hat3 are great for metal.. My chinas are two Zildjian chinas that are pretty standard in the studio... besides a few folks in this forum we've gotten amazing reviews on our cymbals... an upcoming magazine review calls them "the first digital cymbals that don't sound sterile and cold.." I just made a quick metal demo with the Crash16, Hat3, and Big China.. I'm gonna post it.
I'm sure if you have been using Superior2 and are used to that workflow, it can be great. But as you can hear from the demos on the site which are programmed 100% with our 3.0 software, you can get great sounds... I'll post that little snippet in a bit because I want to clear this up once and for all. For one thing, the cymbals above all NEED the overhead switch ON.
The cymbal without the overhead switch is just a Neumann KM84 about 1 foot away... when you hit the overhead switch, its a vintage AKG C12 about three feet above tracked to Studer 2inch tape... its a chain of beauty..
I'm sure if you have been using Superior2 and are used to that workflow, it can be great. But as you can hear from the demos on the site which are programmed 100% with our 3.0 software, you can get great sounds... I'll post that little snippet in a bit because I want to clear this up once and for all. For one thing, the cymbals above all NEED the overhead switch ON.
The cymbal without the overhead switch is just a Neumann KM84 about 1 foot away... when you hit the overhead switch, its a vintage AKG C12 about three feet above tracked to Studer 2inch tape... its a chain of beauty..
Jaymz
Stymphalian Productions
Hey Slate, out of all the DFHS stuff I think your ride slays, I really quite like the china's too but the ride *not sure which I usually use* but its how a ride should sound unlike all the ambient jazzyness in the 2.0 rides.
If I may make a suggestion, a few more china samples would be killer to go along with the previous. Just different stokes on the decay really.
If I may make a suggestion, a few more china samples would be killer to go along with the previous. Just different stokes on the decay really.
now as for reselling it.... NO companies in pro audio software are very successful.. You mention Steinberg, a company that has been sold three times in the past few years.
It is very hard being in a software business. Piracy is not a small problem, even for large companies...
Allowing for the resale of software, when you are a smaller company (like the software division of Yellow Matter), is just asking to go out of business, especially in this economy.
I've worked hard to make sure that people know what they are getting when they buy the software... and I work harder to support you once you buy it. And thats the best I can do.
It is very hard being in a software business. Piracy is not a small problem, even for large companies...
Allowing for the resale of software, when you are a smaller company (like the software division of Yellow Matter), is just asking to go out of business, especially in this economy.
I've worked hard to make sure that people know what they are getting when they buy the software... and I work harder to support you once you buy it. And thats the best I can do.
chinas and crashes are easy to sample.. we'll add two more crashes and another big china.. I assume you guys want the BIG stuff..
Jaymz
Stymphalian Productions
Big stuff is cool but the little chinas are sweet for accents also. Any spocks coming in future?
Zombietakeover
Member
AdamWathan
Member
I don't know what chinas are in there now since I don't have the samples but for metal, especially the fast paced stuff most of us do, we want smaller wooshier chinas that don't explode out of the speakers like a huge accent... Cymbals in metal are all about the general sparkling ambience they leave in the mix and outside of the ride we pretty much want absolutely MINIMAL attack on the sounds.... You don't want to hear CRACK-shhhh.... We just want the Cshhhhh...
ahhh, then our small china should work great for that... I included the big china in the demo that I was about to post, I'll swap it out before I post it...
AdamWathan
Member
Looking forward to it! Just to be clear I have never paid any attention to any of the Slate cymbal sounds so my post is no sort of criticism as I don't even know what your cymbals sound like 
Just trying to help the product development!
Just trying to help the product development!
Machinated
Member
yeah the bricasti thing is gonna happen for sure... probably in another month or so.. that box smokes for snare reverb... the NRG room plus the Bricasti is gonna be the shiznit.
Machinated
Member
nice, really looking forward to that - and how will the updates work? free update? going to be mailed out?
Now, let me add something to the whole reselling thing.
I think (I have no real knowledge in this first hand) But I think with all the things online nowadays like torrents, filesharing networks, instant transfers, online storage sites, pirating programs and things is just way too easy. Slate is trying to sell his samples at a reasonable price to people who need them. And he could charge so much more for the quality of his samples and programs now.
If you want to resell it, I think that's a bit unfair to him. Maybe i'm wrong, but he put all this work together for the consumer and is trying to sell it in a download it world. You take it, grab what you want and re-selling it is taking a sale away from him during a time when it is probably hard to get people to actually buy it in the firstplace.
I can't get his samples per money issues, but I'd never illegally downlaod them. When I listen to the demos i'm in awe. Anyone that buys these are just amazingly lucky. He knows what he's doing and these samples are amazingly helpful I can imagine in production. Especially with the new cheaper package coming out, he's got a package for pretty much any budget but broke. I don't know, I wouldn't feel comfertable re-selling it for a proffit. If I buy it, it's because I need it/want it in my studio. I wouldn't buy it, burn it to my PC or another disc and then resell the real one.
I hope I didn't sound stupid there, i'm just trying to explain what's going on in my head.
I think (I have no real knowledge in this first hand) But I think with all the things online nowadays like torrents, filesharing networks, instant transfers, online storage sites, pirating programs and things is just way too easy. Slate is trying to sell his samples at a reasonable price to people who need them. And he could charge so much more for the quality of his samples and programs now.
If you want to resell it, I think that's a bit unfair to him. Maybe i'm wrong, but he put all this work together for the consumer and is trying to sell it in a download it world. You take it, grab what you want and re-selling it is taking a sale away from him during a time when it is probably hard to get people to actually buy it in the firstplace.
I can't get his samples per money issues, but I'd never illegally downlaod them. When I listen to the demos i'm in awe. Anyone that buys these are just amazingly lucky. He knows what he's doing and these samples are amazingly helpful I can imagine in production. Especially with the new cheaper package coming out, he's got a package for pretty much any budget but broke. I don't know, I wouldn't feel comfertable re-selling it for a proffit. If I buy it, it's because I need it/want it in my studio. I wouldn't buy it, burn it to my PC or another disc and then resell the real one.
I hope I didn't sound stupid there, i'm just trying to explain what's going on in my head.
AdamWathan
Member
I was going to wait for EX, then I thought I could do with LE, but this morning I caved and ordered Platinum Fucking STOKED to try these bad boys! For some reason it was actually brianhood's drum video that really sold me on the samples. I'm actually really excited about trying the Green Day snare in a metal context, tons of pop!
Fucking STOKED to try these bad boys! For some reason it was actually brianhood's drum video that really sold me on the samples. I'm actually really excited about trying the Green Day snare in a metal context, tons of pop!
xFkx
gain induction
I'd like to chime in and request a bell sample (like a 6 inch zil-bell) for the upcoming Slate EX. Hard to do those epic breakdowns without a bell 
