NeverIsForever
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He didn't say it was the "status quo," he said it was the future. Meaning we are not there yet. This in no way contradicts his statement regarding change.
What's wrong with saying...
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NeverIsForever
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The fact that it is in our future will not change any time soon. You know what he meant. I know what he meant.
Silver Incubus
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infoterror said:
Ok my 2 cents on this topic of why it is percieved wrong.
1. Any culture has values that may be better(more applicable/useful/better suited) then the ones your culture has currently. Personally i think ALL culture is pointless, and seems to only cause more problems then solutions, in the past, in the present and most likely in the future. I think this mostly because culture is very influenced by Religion, and as far as I'm concerned, any kind of organized belief structure is wrong to impose on anyone.
2. All i have to say for that is... One race is lacking in one area, and good in another. To say that any race is better overall is wrong, simply because it isn't and never will be true, or provable. For example, one might argue that white europeans are better because of their use of technology, but at the same time, that use of technology has destroyed the environment and caused other problems, whereas a tribe in Africa, still uneffected by White technology, lives more harmoniously with nature.
3. Capitalism and Materialism is the culture of the west. That seems to be the only thing in common with the other cultures. I think it is sad, but focusing on culture doesn't help that out either. There is greed in every part of the world.
4. I think this is the only one i actually agree with. Just look at how many Black people are sports stars, simply because slave owners would breed the best slaves with each other.
5. Those with 'judgement' skills need strong morals behind them, and a true leader not only can rally the people behind them, but to have a goal that benefits everyone. Real leaders are incorruptable, and seek to rid the ruling body of corruption.
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Guys, I don't think the initial post says that one race is better than another.
Culture is not only not pointless, but is completely essential to human existence. Moreover, a unified cultural identity grounds persons ethically, so not only is it inevitable, it is functional.
Culture is not only not pointless, but is completely essential to human existence. Moreover, a unified cultural identity grounds persons ethically, so not only is it inevitable, it is functional.
NeverIsForever said:
No, you're on crack. He's suggesting that it is ongoing status quo (are you arguing multiculturalism isn't current policy? let's hear that). I suggest we change that. He's arguing against change.
If you cannot see that, you don't belong in a philosophy forum.
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1. I am NOT suggesting it is ongoing status quo, I AM suggesting it has only truly just begun and will be a much bigger movement generations from now. Anyone who can put two and two together knows it's not a status quo.
How in the world did you conclude that idea from what I wrote?!
2. I am arguing FOR change, not AGAINST it. Believe me, with the cultural issues I have had in my life, I would never argue against cultural change. It's the best thing to be able to grow.
Incase you decide to try and derail what I've just written, I shall make it even clearer: I SUPPORT MULTICULTURALISM
Next time just ask rather than make an incorrect assumption, it would have been a lot quicker. NeverIsForever was on the dot the whole time and you knew it.
How in the world did you conclude that idea from what I wrote?!
2. I am arguing FOR change, not AGAINST it. Believe me, with the cultural issues I have had in my life, I would never argue against cultural change. It's the best thing to be able to grow.
Incase you decide to try and derail what I've just written, I shall make it even clearer: I SUPPORT MULTICULTURALISM
Next time just ask rather than make an incorrect assumption, it would have been a lot quicker. NeverIsForever was on the dot the whole time and you knew it.
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Demiurge said:
This is a great post, something I totally agree with after going through a long time of denying it as a kid.
Well posted.
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1. Jewish culture and values are different enough from my own that I don't want to force them to coexist.
seems fine to me ...peace n tolerance
2. All other races would make poor breeding partners for my people, as it would cause us as a unique population to cease to exist.
In light of your desire for continued uniqueness, no problemo...
3. The pursuit of money and power replaces culture and values systems, thus we should cultivate culture before we worry about developing our economy.
Sounds good...
4. People are of different levels of quality, and we should breed them toward the highest level possible.
We cannot "breed" people of certain quality levels, as if the mark of our soul is decided purely genetically.
5. Some have better judgment skills than others, thus they should rule.
Easier said than done, and you presuppose that there should be someone ruling in the first place.
seems fine to me ...peace n tolerance
2. All other races would make poor breeding partners for my people, as it would cause us as a unique population to cease to exist.
In light of your desire for continued uniqueness, no problemo...
3. The pursuit of money and power replaces culture and values systems, thus we should cultivate culture before we worry about developing our economy.
Sounds good...
4. People are of different levels of quality, and we should breed them toward the highest level possible.
We cannot "breed" people of certain quality levels, as if the mark of our soul is decided purely genetically.
5. Some have better judgment skills than others, thus they should rule.
Easier said than done, and you presuppose that there should be someone ruling in the first place.
no country for old wainds
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http://www.suomensisu.fi/kukkiakriittisille/dutton.html
Those of you attacking anti-multiculturalism so ignorantly ought to read this article in order to understand their opponents' positions better (and, if they have any sense, start agreeing with them)
Those of you attacking anti-multiculturalism so ignorantly ought to read this article in order to understand their opponents' positions better (and, if they have any sense, start agreeing with them)
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The Hubster said:
I would harldy call myself a rightwinger and I am totally against multiculture
i didnt read all the answers to this thread @infoterror . but i read your own very well . i wont say much but that i agree with you and i think when we talk about "my race" some may gather some information to find out that mixing up all kind of races causes sickness and when it comes to culture may war even .
infoterror said:
1. Indian, Scandinavian, Chinese, English - There are lots of cultures that are being erased
2. Poor breeding partners? I don't get it. Why would jews be so much more intelligent than others? If they were, how come they can't defend themselves / end the eternal pursuit of jews by doing something drastic.
Take Scandinavians. A small number of vikings set fear in all of Europe. Great warriors. Does this mean that Scandinavians are better than others and should not breed with any other race?
I don't think you should mix any races but that's impossible to stop as there is something called "love" that makes people do it anyways.
3. No, people are moving and settling in other countries than their homes. Soon, there will be no such thing as "pure" swede or jew etc. You should accept this and try to live with the others instead of feeling superior and isolating yourself from the rest.
4. In that case, half of the humans cannot breed. Fat, lazy, sickness, lousy appearance, weak body, too short etc. And as I said earlier, love is a problem.
5. People think different. Remember, Bush won the election.
derek
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Bush's re-election was heavily based on rhetoric and playing up his image to the Southern states as a white, christian, conservative. I'm not generalising to everyone but a huge amount of the former confederacy have such limited intellect and will respond with guns totin' that perhaps there is a case for a limited amount of more able people to run things.
It's no insult to say some people are less able intellectually than others.
It's no insult to say some people are less able intellectually than others.
The_Isle
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infoterror said:
Umm. Ok. Fine? WHy Jewish culture and values in particular though? does this mean you accept all other cultures & values, or do you imply that you will only accept indo-european ones?
I don't see anything wrong with this, except perhaps if you try to enforce these limitations on "your people". You see, not every white person thinks like you. Some would even be desirous of interbreeding.
As long as you impose this on a set of like-minded people instead of forcing it onto others, it's fine and dandy.
Ok. Yea. Whatever. Your idealism is admirable. Whether there are enough people of the same mindset to participate in such a social experiment isn't as certain. If there are, more power to you, I'll be looking forward to the formation of the new nation of "Germania" sometime in the future...
For what? Why should we breed people towards the highest level of quality? Do we need to farm people for limbs & organs? Do we need em for meat?
There's something of an old adage... something about it being pointless to excel amongst the excellent.
blah blah blah. More shoulds. Of course this sounds good in theory. Why don't you instead propose a set of mechanisms with which instead we could pick out these special elite people with "better judgement skills" so there can be something to work with, eh?
No. Only 1 2 and 4 are non-mainstream. Even then they are just your peculiar set of utopian-yearning beliefs that fit into your little racialist niche, as ridiculous as say a vegan thinking the world would be better off with no-one eating animals, the imperialist thinking everyone would be better off with american leadership, the marxist thinking the world would be better with communal ownership.
Just naive impracticable idealism really.
Crycheck said:
Want to see yourself get owned?
THE DIVORCE RATE IS 50%
"LOVE" IS IRRATIONAL AND FALLIBLE
Now pick up and carry on.
