What went wrong in the West?

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A Bumper Crop of Stupid

If you were a foreign leader trying to find out the reason for the social collapse of Indo-European society, you would send an intelligent spy into one of their countries. This spy would immediately be alienated. He or she would be surrounded by people whose ambitions in life are a job where they can avoid offending others, a football team to cheer, toys (cars, computers, stereos, instruments) and a vacation every 12 months or so. For these people, religion is an accessory to their personality, as is politics and even philosophy. They live for nothing except their things and the only bond they understand between people is manipulation. While we cannot call these people stupid in the sense that they can handle some intelligent tasks, when we look at how they live and what they value we must consider them to be "talking monkeys with car keys" as Kam Lee says.

Your spy would realize in a sickening moment of impact that the intelligent people among the Indo-Europeans are in fact more alienated than a foreign spy. They must conceal their intelligence, as if it is noticed, it may be acted against by those driven by envy or resentment; they must hide their knowledge of how ideas turn out in the long term, and try to filter out the constant stupidity around them. Your neighbor thinks educating people without brains will solve the crisis; his neighbor thinks that giving us all more free money will. Who can even listen to such opinions without laughing at the sheer emptiness of them? The smarter ones must hide their reactions, have no opinions, and serve in jobs and social capacities designed for people much dumber than them. They are the ultimate minority, a hunted few who survive only by disguising themselves as normal dysfunctional people.

We all know how it happened. Someone who wanted to gain power against someone smarter cooked up this idea called "equality," which made his serfs equal to the king in their minds - little kings of their half-acres. They ran to the castle with weapons, demanding equality, and as the knights in the castle were depleted by war and outnumbered, won a battle, and crowed their triumph to the world. We are free from inequality! Now we can all reign superior in our little worlds. From this point on, anyone who rose above the crowd in ability or moral logic would be crushed; anyone beautiful or talented would be manipulated by money and pleasures of the flesh until they debased themselves. It was seen as suspicious to want more than what one's neighbors had, and though it took time for this victory of the little kings to spread across the world, now it has taken hold.

Fortunately for it, with it came great wealth. Based on the knowledge of the past, we were able to maneuver a few inventions - digital switching, internal combustion, mass production - into an economy of many technologies and riches which are essentially derivations of those few core inventions. This let the stupid grow and interestingly, they even produced a few geniuses - but what do you call a genius with technology who has no skills of judgment, leadership or morality? - a smart moron? They are all the same, these people of simple pleasures and humble paranoia, because they are shaped from a demand that we all be the same, which in itself came from the fears of the serfs that they would not be kings, which led them to despise their condition and falsify another one. By rising up in importance in their own minds, they felt as if they controlled their own lives, had gained power over them and might even have beat death through some metaphysical importance of their new position. Their fears, and the needs of greedy and selfish rulers, brought about this revolt, not some kind of altruism based on what is "right." After all, what is right is what works best for the whole of us and environment alike, and that... well, it may take many years to see that one.

This is not to say that these hordes of stupid people are bad; they're just serfs. Harvesting crops, taking care of livestock, fixing roads and bridges, maybe even some basic artisan skills: these are the limits of their judgment capacity and moral logic, and to these areas, in a sane world, they'd be confined. Instead, they're out there proving how "equal" they are -- to a genius, the previous phrase was a punchline. Most people cannot see why what the sheep do is destructive and wrong, therefore completely fail to notice the "equality" they prove is inequality. These people are generally friendly, and don't mean ill, but they're also not in control of their own minds, mostly because of their desperate attempts to control their external surroundings. A spy from a foreign land might wonder: if these people ever stopped manipulating each other for such selfish ends, they might get somewhere.

Of course, to stand up in a gathering of your fellow citizens now and to say that we're on the wrong path will prompt angry shouts that prove your point unwittingly. Most people think we're doing just fine, but their motivation is purely for themselves and does not consider the whole of our system, thus they literally do not care if we self-destruct, as long as they become "equal," they get a color TV like their neighbor has, they have a home team that wins the StuporBowl, etc. When they express satisfaction with our society, it is because they feel rewarded, not that they think we're on the path to something right, in the end - they don't care. Most are unwilling to think beyond their lifetimes, even if they breed. This shows us how difficult it is to construct an organism that looks and plans ahead and has a benevolent will toward life, even when it must do non-benevolent things to some. Most people are intelligent at a basic level, but several sigma away from the state at which they would make competent leaders. They're serfs and in a sane society, their political influence would be limited to their fields and cattle.

However, they point out, brightly, that things are going well. We all have equal cable television, and our home teams each have a chance at the SuperBowl, equality of opportunity and all that. If you put your head down and work hard, you can have a great job and house in the suburbs and trophy wife, or you might even get totally rich if you're cleverer than most of the monkeys. Why would you want to jeopardize that? There are a few who do, because they see where the path of illusion is leading, and how the march of the little kings will take us into oblivion. The first writing is on the wall, too: suicide a leading cause of death; cancers keep rising even as smoking falls; global climate change is wreaking havoc; pollution and violence and ugliness force us to increasingly limited places to live, which forces us to earn more money, which means that soon we're creatures "of the office" who appear at random to our families. And then, how surprising is it that the wife or husband strays and starts screwing the UPS delivery person? How surprising is it that our kids end up on drugs, addicted to crime, or vapid and witless?

Well, don't forget, things are going well, but the question is: for whom? Perhaps beneath the roots of mountains a Satanic bellow is heard as the master celebrates having enslaved us all by leading us toward positive things (freedom, wealth, equality) that come at the highest price - the sacrifice of what we could achieve together, namely civilization itself as its own pleasures. Who can love in a time like this? Who can trust a friend? And who trusts the government, which is made up of people as insane and flaky as our fellow citizens? You've got a bumper crop of morons here, sir. And they mean business. Nature is merciful and therefore, they lack the consciousness to see what they have wrought. While things are "going well" in this five-year span, or in some idealized view of history as a whole, to someone who actually tracks the quality of human beings and their ideas, we are entering a whole new kind of dark age brought about by the needs of the little kings and the bumper crop of stupid they have bred. It may take twenty years, or fifty, but we're nearing the end of this cycle, and soon it will become evident that the selfishness of the serfs and not the elitism of kings took us from the height of civilization to a menial, worthless existence fit only for the stupid.

http://www.anus.com/zine/articles/stupid/
 
I think this is your best essay yet.

In my Spenglerian pessimism, I ponder these very same thoughts every rueful day: I imagine our ancestors who toiled in steamy cacophonious factories so their children could earn a proper education they didnt have; I then imagine the baby boomer generation of my parents, clutching their fancy college degrees while frolicking about spouting delusory words of equality and freedom; and then, I ruminate upon my own generation--a sorry sack of movie quoting, cell phone attached, pudgy, automatons, who live for illusory pleasures and work for false dreams. I like to think our lives are easier, even fuller than in the past, but then I walk outside and amongst this sad populace, and I shake my head. Only the thought that these very same ideas occurred in all great thinkers and men in the past, comforts the pain.
 
speed said:
I think this is your best essay yet.

In my Spenglerian pessimism, I ponder these very same thoughts every rueful day: I imagine our ancestors who toiled in steamy cacophonious factories so their children could earn a proper education they didnt have; I then imagine the baby boomer generation of my parents, clutching their fancy college degrees while frolicking about spouting delusory words of equality and freedom; and then, I ruminate upon my own generation--a sorry sack of movie quoting, cell phone attached, pudgy, automatons, who live for illusory pleasures and work for false dreams. I like to think our lives are easier, even fuller than in the past, but then I walk outside and amongst this sad populace, and I shake my head. Only the thought that these very same ideas occurred in all great thinkers and men in the past, comforts the pain.

I must agree with you 100% - I also have these thoughts going through my head every single day that I wander out of the house:

Living in an area where there are a lot of rich tourists, Paris Hilton wannabies, rich locals with 4WDs without a speck of dust on them etc, I'm faced with extreme conformism, materialistic gluttony and capitalism on 'roids on every street corner.

Thank god there are a few people around who oppose it in Bondi or I would go insane.

infoterror said:
Most people think we're doing just fine, but their motivation is purely for themselves and does not consider the whole of our system, thus they literally do not care if we self-destruct, as long as they become "equal," they get a color TV like their neighbor has, they have a home team that wins the StuporBowl ... Most are unwilling to think beyond their lifetimes, even if they breed... Most people are intelligent at a basic level...

Beautiful executions of points, excellent essay infoterror.
 
speed said:
I think this is your best essay yet.

In my Spenglerian pessimism, I ponder these very same thoughts every rueful day: I imagine our ancestors who toiled in steamy cacophonious factories so their children could earn a proper education they didnt have; I then imagine the baby boomer generation of my parents, clutching their fancy college degrees while frolicking about spouting delusory words of equality and freedom; and then, I ruminate upon my own generation--a sorry sack of movie quoting, cell phone attached, pudgy, automatons, who live for illusory pleasures and work for false dreams. I like to think our lives are easier, even fuller than in the past, but then I walk outside and amongst this sad populace, and I shake my head. Only the thought that these very same ideas occurred in all great thinkers and men in the past, comforts the pain.

I actually enjoy my life. I realise the hopelessness of this generation, yet choose to ignore it. I've met hundreds of people who've changed my life, changed my perspectives and toyed with my heart (some even managed to tear it out).

This whole endeavour has a basic underpinning, and when the bullshit we have to encounter day after day becomes to much, I always try to envisage it.

Don't moan, bitch and whine as if everyone loves to wallow in your cesspit. This world sucks, this generation most definately is the peak of moral and social decay, but we are but transient and the automatons you so venemously talk about will breed and die, as will their offspring. This planet, this existence and everything that underpins it will continue.

All we have is this, it may be nasty, brutish and painfully short, but it's all we got. I'll happily trudge through a whole year, if for just one second, I can see past this nonsense and feel something better.

The powerful play goes on...
 
Final_Product said:
I actually enjoy my life. I realise the hopelessness of this generation, yet choose to ignore it. I've met hundreds of people who've changed my life, changed my perspectives and toyed with my heart (some even managed to tear it out).

This whole endeavour has a basic underpinning, and when the bullshit we have to encounter day after day becomes to much, I always try to envisage it.

Don't moan, bitch and whine as if everyone loves to wallow in your cesspit. This world sucks, this generation most definately is the peak of moral and social decay, but we are but transient and the automatons you so venemously talk about will breed and die, as will their offspring. This planet, this existence and everything that underpins it will continue.

All we have is this, it may be nasty, brutish and painfully short, but it's all we got. I'll happily trudge through a whole year, if for just one second, I can see past this nonsense and feel something better.

The powerful play goes on...

Hehe. As Flaubert humorously states in his Dictionary of Received Ideas:

Age,(the present age): Denounce vigorously. Lament its unpoetic tone. Call it, 'An age of transition, of decadence.' (2)

I suppose that was my point. Every generation believes itself uncultured since the 19th cenury. But, what stoic nihilism you show. Thats pretty much my impetus in life; however, without making such complaints, I wouldnt have any fun, nor would I feel special.
 
speed said:
Hehe. As Flaubert humorously states in his Dictionary of Received Ideas:

Age,(the present age): Denounce vigorously. Lament its unpoetic tone. Call it, 'An age of transition, of decadence.' (2)

I suppose that was my point. Every generation believes itself uncultured since the 19th cenury. But, what stoic nihilism you show. Thats pretty much my impetus in life; however, without making such complaints, I wouldnt have any fun, nor would I feel special.

Yup, I know too well the tendency for everyone to think the current time is the worst ever. It all works in cycles (I read too much Evola!) so I tend not to worry. This will all be balanced eventually, after the nuclear war, when we all realise the world is a beautiful place and live in harmony with each other.

Dancing in sunny meadows...

You get the picture.

Also, your much stronger of mind than you say of yourself. However, that end part of your post makes me think...you wanted someone to compliment you. What are you? An emotionally crippled woman who needs constant reassurance that they are worth something?

:p
 
Final_Product said:
Also, your much stronger of mind than you say of yourself. However, that end part of your post makes me think...you wanted someone to compliment you. What are you? An emotionally crippled woman who needs constant reassurance that they are worth something?

:p

Its a perverse sense of fun and humor to keep everyone guessing. Life would be so boring, if I couldnt play tricks.
 
Final_Product said:
I wonder if even you know the real speed?

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I sure hope not; I am sure I'd be disappointed. Im sure he's some vacuous schmuck so consumed with ennui, he resorts to posting on this juvenile bourgeois board.
 
speed said:
I sure hope not; I am sure I'd be disappointed. Im sure he's some vacuous schmuck so consumed with ennui, he resorts to posting on this juvenile bourgeois board.

Me and him, both.
 
Final_Product said:
Key word, LAMEntations.

Yes, I suppose my attempt to channel LRD is not as funny as previously imagined.

(sorry Infoterror, I may delete these posts, as we moderators--me especially--are destroying your thread)
 
speed said:
Yes, I suppose my attempt to channel LRD is not as funny as previously imagined.

(sorry Infoterror, I may delete these posts, as we moderators--me especially--are destroying your thread)

And you people are supposed to be moderators! ;) Who moderates the moderators? :p

Aside from me bitching about the blindedness of the populace around me, a simple walk on the cliffs down the road does put things into perspective for me, and perhaps I might sound as blind as the subjects of infoterrors essay, but really:

- I have a great partner
- I live in a great area with tonnes of diverse cultures
- I get to swim everyday
- I get to see the ocean everyday
- I get to watch the sun set over the ocean everyday
- I'm reasonably healthy
- I have a great job (havent been to work in a week because of RDOs, beauty of shift work)
- and there's a great coffee place around the corner with a few friendly people to talk to

Really - should I complain of having such beautiful things around me, despite the Gucci clad amoeba around my area? No. I already have more than most people could ever ask for. Simplicity and the sea breeze.
 
The Hubster said:
And you people are supposed to be moderators! ;) Who moderates the moderators? :p

Aside from me bitching about the blindedness of the populace around me, a simple walk on the cliffs down the road does put things into perspective for me, and perhaps I might sound as blind as the subjects of infoterrors essay, but really:

- I have a great partner
- I live in a great area with tonnes of diverse cultures
- I get to swim everyday
- I get to see the ocean everyday
- I get to watch the sun set over the ocean everyday
- I'm reasonably healthy
- I have a great job (havent been to work in a week because of RDOs, beauty of shift work)
- and there's a great coffee place around the corner with a few friendly people to talk to

Really - should I complain of having such beautiful things around me, despite the Gucci clad amoeba around my area? No. I already have more than most people could ever ask for. Simplicity and the sea breeze.


Sorry, sorry.

Thats sounds quite nice actually. Perhaps I should move there.
 
Who else feels like we are on the Titanic and about to hit the iceberg? The captain is an evil lunatic and the passengers are all drugged and tied up. All civilisations selfdestruct and I give it 50 years at maximum until the next dark age. But this will be a worse dark age than ever, and much more widespread. It could even easily be the end of all life on Earth.
I will give a summary of the threats a bit later on, when I've had time to think more clearly.
 
Who else feels like we are on the Titanic and about to hit the iceberg? The captain is an evil lunatic and the passengers are all drugged and tied up. All civilisations selfdestruct and I give it 50 years at maximum until the next dark age. But this will be a worse dark age than ever, and much more widespread. It could even easily be the end of all life on Earth.
I will give a summary of the threats a bit later on, when I've had time to think more clearly.

Global dimming is one threat. Responsible for droughts that have already killed hundreds of thousands of people in sub-Saharan Africa. "Even the most pessimistic forecasts of global warming may now have to be drastically revised upwards. That means a temperature rise of 10c by 2100 could be on the cards, giving the UK a climate like that of North Africa and rendering many parts of the world uninhabitable."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/dimming_prog_summary.shtml
 
Mutational load is the total genetic burden in a population resulting from accumulated deleterious mutations. http://www.blackwellpublishing.com/ridley/a-z/Mutational_load.asp

We need to have a mutation - selection balance. The mean fitness of members of a population suffers a reduction because of deleterious mutations.

There are more than 1500 known mutational disorders or genetic diseases. By elimination of the unfit, natural selection reduces the harmful effects of mutations on a population. Some human behaviour is a pathological result of genetic mutation or neurological damage. Contamination/pollution is a major cause of bioaccumulated mutagens. Experiments have shown that genetically adapting to survive in a polluted environment can result in the population being so genetically altered that if they were put back into the non-polluted environment, they would die and the pollution itself causes mutations, altering germcells. This was found in an experiment involving fish. It is mentioned in the article I am about to quote from by a major Canadian geneticist, Michael Easton, entitled "Environmental Mutagens: A Crisis of our Time". http://www.naturphoto.com/oped2d.html

Easton says that pollution caused by humans could quickly cause such massive deleterious mutational genetic load that we may go extinct.

"Germcell mutations, even if harmful and selected against will likely remain in the population for many generations. Thus in an environment of a chemically induced increase in the background mutation rate, there will be an increasing legacy of useless or harmful genetic material that is created within each generation by an ever increasing build up of genetically toxic chemicals. These effects may be compounded each generation. Under polluted conditions, natural mutation events are slowly accumulated and form a reservoir of material (genetic load) for evolutionary change. At high levels, this mutational load becomes a drag on the population and can result in an enormous burden of useless mutated genes resulting in greater embryo and pre-reproductive mortality. At lower levels, the genetic flexibility of the population is diminished."

"The end of many species, possibly including man, could come about not from the catastrophic effects of atom bombs, but from the genetically damaging effects of our toxic environment, short sighted industrial practices and the ineffectiveness and inadequacy of present government regualtions to reduce the rate of an ever increasing debt of genetic damage. Unlike the fiscal debt, the genetic damage debt can't be paid off.":mad:

More doom mongering to follow...
 
Norsemaiden said:
Who else feels like we are on the Titanic and about to hit the iceberg? The captain is an evil lunatic and the passengers are all drugged and tied up. All civilisations selfdestruct and I give it 50 years at maximum until the next dark age. But this will be a worse dark age than ever, and much more widespread. It could even easily be the end of all life on Earth.
I will give a summary of the threats a bit later on, when I've had time to think more clearly.

I have to say - I know I've been on the other side of the field in discussions with you lately Norsemaiden, but I'd be totally daft to not agree with you on this one.

I'd say your above quote here is pretty much on the dot. It really makes me question the decision to have children and that's a real annoyance as time is running out.
 
A lot of people are probably thinking this yet just haven't said it.

I mentioned global dimming as one factor in climate change. There is also the "run away greenhouse effect" which would be a process whereby our oceans boil away and all life on the planet obviously dies. This effect has already happened on Venus. http://www.worldpress.org/americas/1975.cfm

When global temperatures rise by 3 degrees "At this point the rainforests begin to die, releasing vast new amounts of carbon dioxide. Algae fail in the ocean and stop generating cooling clouds and absorbing carbon. The Greenland glacier goes into meltdown, releasing enough water to flood many of the world's cities. Crop failures, human migrations,the emergence of 'brutal war lords' follow." From James Lovelock's book "The Revenge of Gaia".

Time left to sort this out before irreversible processes begin is as little as ten years.

Global politics is heading for serious confrontations and strong likelihood of nuclear weapons being used.

Wars over water set to become commonplace. http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article348196.ece

Rate of scientific innovation slowing, from a peak 100 years ago. New Scientist article "Entering a dark age of Innovation". http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7616

In his book "Half gone: oil, Gas, Hot Air and the Global Energy Crisis" published this year, Jeremy Legett quotes Munich Re, the world's largest reinsurance company, warning "according to current estimates, the possible extent of losses caused by extreme natural catatrophe in one of the world's metropolises or industrial centres would be so great as to cause the collapse of entire countries' economic systems and could even bring about the collapse of the world's financial markets."

The world is overdue for a massive cull through plagues. AIDs is ongoing and threatens to virtually wipe out Africans. And the bird flu is teetering on the brink of decimating populations. The effect of the bird flu could be that people can't or won't work and so hospitals will be devastatingly undermanned and food won't be reaching supermarkets, causing a crisis whereby people will rely on the army bringing food parcels. It only takes a matter of days to reach such a point.

There is increasing belief in religions and superstitions showing humanity is regressing - hardly a surprise when the least intelligent are having the most children, and when people from cultures with little regard for science are emmigrating to the communities that have traditionally led this field.

Increasing levels of illiteracy and innumeracy, "standards of literacy are today lower than they were in 1914. What appears extraordinary is that literacy seems to have been going down fairly steadily ever since the state took an active part in education". http://www.edwardgoldsmith.com/page55.html

"Dr Geoff Hayward from Oxford University's Educational Studies Department discusses their report into the falling standards of numeracy and literacy amongst students entering university." http://www.edstud.ox.ac.uk/about/current.html

Other signs include: increasing bureaucratic corruption http://ideas.repec.org/p/an/cdmacp/0407.html ; institutions like the National Health Service failing; families breaking up and this causing dysfunction; increasing mental illness. http://www.berkeley.edu/news/berkeleyan/1998/1021/immigrant.html

I just think we are headed straight at a brick wall and most people are not going to know what the hell hit them!