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because they went alternative in the 90's... and people are still mad at lars for turning into lar$, over the napster thing...
Why is it that ppl think Metallica Sold out?
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Travisty
Slaying the Masses 24/7
ppl think metallica sold out because they made a power ballod and cut there hair and made load
you can say what you want, but personally i think st. anger had a couple good songs, and if you think they sold out because of their hair you are the dumbest heavy metal deuchebag i've ever heard.
thank you for your time.
you can say what you want, but personally i think st. anger had a couple good songs, and if you think they sold out because of their hair you are the dumbest heavy metal deuchebag i've ever heard.
thank you for your time.
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Travisty
Slaying the Masses 24/7
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Travisty said:
Yeah maybe compared to a Korn album. Believe me it has nothing to do with their hair. They simply went toward suckdom. End of thread.
Mythos Inibri
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Bryant
Mr. Sleepy
son_of_northern_darkness said:
By the way that last comment wasn't trying to have a go at anyone
You are a newbie here, but this is the best post I have seen of all of them.
Metallica does not "owe" anything to their "fans." In the music industry, you have to answer to your record label that is paying you, and maybe to yourself and bandmates as far as their integrity as artists, but not your fans. If Metallica is happy with what they are doing, then I say let it be.
The Goo Goo Dolls went from a weird punk band to a ballad based pop band. I wouldn't give a nickel for their punk stuff, but they are one of the few radio rock bands I love. Did they sell out ? If you asked veteran GGD fans who liked their punk stuff, probably the answer would be yes. If you asked me, I would say keep on turning out the ballads. There is no crooner like Rzeznik.
The point is.... there is no right or wrong about Metallica. Did they sell out ? I think they altered their style to satisfy the next generation of fans while leaving most of the original and thrash fans (of whom many probably "retired" from thrash scene eventually anyway) to moan and groan. Call it selling out or call it anything you feel like, but they definitely went into a direction I didn't like. As the poster I replied to stated.... let them be what they are now. If I had only the choice of buying the next Vanden Plas CD or the next Metallica CD, I am going with Vanden Plas. it is as simple as that. I gave up on Metallica when "Load" was released. I still enjoy all of their material from KEA through AJFA and even the Black album to a lesser degree. The Metallica thast released those classics doesn't exist anymore, so I simply accept that and let it die.
Bryant
Bryant said:
I agree with some of what you said.. but some i don't.. for answering to your record label... when a band or artist reaches a certain amount of popularity they attain a certain amount of power and can make certain demands and get what they want.. Metallica more then any "metal" band had that power over their label... they could of said fuck you were doing a thrash or heavier album to Elektra and there would be nothing Elektra could do... they didnt alter their style to satisfy the next generation... they simply altered their style to fatten their wallet by "commercializing" their music... they are not a metal band anymore.. they are nothing more then a pop band... when you start hearing Metallica on Z100 in NY ... believe me that makes them worst then Linkin Park, Korn and the like.... Z100 is pretty much a pop radio station for those who do not live in the area... Metallica "altered" their style in 1988 with AJFA... i saw the writing on the wall myself after hearing that album.. and Thrash was still very much alive back then.... and if Metallica had continued in the Thrash style i would have no doubt Thrash would be a popular genre today... each of Metallica's albums were outselling the previous album from KEA to MOP without changing their style (though making more complex thrash music on each new album) .... and they were selling very well without radio or video play... MOP was a gold album at the time it was released (Gold i believe is 500,000 + sold) which is a tremendous feat for a thrash band in the mid 80's .. but anyways Metallica got a taste of success at the time and $$ and probably didn't think Thrash would keep them to the lifestyle they now got a taste of... so they started slowly commercializing their music.. I dont know if anyone else heard it on AJFA but i heard it and predicted it at the time to my friends and i was right.. sometimes you can just tell...
Bryant
Mr. Sleepy
Unfaithfully Metalhead said:
I agree with you 95%. When you are as popular as Metallica, you do have "artistic freedom" to a degree. However.... it is not "total" freedom. Ask Neil Young. He is one of the most respected artists on the planet and was selling records by the boocoodles when he decided to simply "go his own way." He went through more record labels than Brett Micheals did cosmetic companies. They wanted him to put out singles. Neil said "fuck you" and went elsewhere.... Metallica did not.
Bryant
Metallica certainly have the $$ to start and run their own label thereby calling the shots and making even more $$ ... hopefully by going back to their roots.. but guess they do not want to do any such thing... unless there next album goes back to their roots.. what i see will happen is everyone of their releases starting with St. Anger will make less and less sales... and they will have to hit rock bottom before they realize where they came from and where their roots are from.. music wise at least... below are what contributed to their downfall:
1. Clifford's Death
2. the hiring of Jason for bass
3. Getting rid of their producer Flemming Rasmussen (Ride the lightning through AJFA)
4. the hiring of Bob Cock as their producer
5. Lars greed
I think that pretty much sums it up... if anyone wants to add to this list.. please do so... i might of forgotten a thing or two and would be great to see what others come up with.. but be serious about it....
1. Clifford's Death
2. the hiring of Jason for bass
3. Getting rid of their producer Flemming Rasmussen (Ride the lightning through AJFA)
4. the hiring of Bob Cock as their producer
5. Lars greed
I think that pretty much sums it up... if anyone wants to add to this list.. please do so... i might of forgotten a thing or two and would be great to see what others come up with.. but be serious about it....
son_of_northern_darkness
Full Time Metalhead
I don't see people's problem with Newstead. He was a good bassist and he loved all the thrash material way more than the later stuff, you can see that in the way he plays on DVD's etc.. I think he was good for the band but the emotional gap between him and the rest of the band after Cliff's death was bad for the band.
If it were up to him, I think Metallica would definately continue to make heavy, original albums, but sadly he was pretty much an outcast in song writing while he was in the band (except for My Friend of Misery, which is a great track). Trujillo will just play whatever the fuck James & Lars tell him to, I reckon.
As for Bob Rock, good riddance. Hopefully Rubin will do something good for the guys...
If it were up to him, I think Metallica would definately continue to make heavy, original albums, but sadly he was pretty much an outcast in song writing while he was in the band (except for My Friend of Misery, which is a great track). Trujillo will just play whatever the fuck James & Lars tell him to, I reckon.
As for Bob Rock, good riddance. Hopefully Rubin will do something good for the guys...
JonnyD
Chef Metal
son_of_northern_darkness said:
I agree 100% I have no problems with Jason at all! as far as I am concerned he was more of a man than James, Lars, and Kirk combined
#1_Droogie
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I think it's true that, as a band, you can choose whatever musical direction you want, but there are some other sides to consider. Who gave them the money they earned to continue their career as musicians? The fans. Who gave them the most popularity? (with fanzines, tape trading, ect.) The fans. Their fans of the old stuff got them where they were when they "sold out". Well, I think that you have to keep some sort of similarities in your music, just as a general respect to your fans whom which you would not be wherever you are now. Now if they had formed a side project, or just broke up in favor of a new, completely different musical direction, then they would have much, much more respect from me.
Unfaithfully Metalhead said:
Yep thats a pretty good sum up.
I think though that Cliffs death and the recruitment of Jason didnt neccassarily contribute that much to their apparent demise. Lets remember AJFA is probably their heaviest effort
AJFA was not really that heavy compared to the first 3 albums.. and the song ONE had the writing on the wall.. so i wasnt surprised that Nothing Else Matters appeared on the next album.. as for Jason's recruitment and whether it affected matters.. I think it did simply because Clifford was a way better bassist then Jason was/is or ever will be.. Cliff contributed to the songwriting more then Jason had... if you listened to jason's bass lines.. they were nothing special... a 3 year old could play them or come up with them... not difficult about playing the root of each chord change.. to me AJFA was a very overrated album and always will be.. i saw them live during that tour and though i enjoyed the concerts... Jason and his playing was the very least of the band members who impressed me those 2 or 3 concerts/nights... when cliff died.. they needed a more strong bass player who played lead lines as well as rhythm and could contribute to the songwriting.. a strong personality... look at jason now.. even though he is in a great band as Voivod.. he is still doing nothing special with songwriting or his playing.. what excuse does he have now? he doesnt have Lars or James to control him... anyways Cliff/Metallica : RIP
Wyvern said:I agree on the first part, without 'One' AJFA would have been a most excellent album, with it it's a really good album but never overrated so I disagree with you on that
Don't make me throw Rogaine on your head Wyv lol jk... still overrated album..
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