I'd say that happened around 2000, not 1997, with the exception of Predator's Portrait.
Needlefeast and Grand Failure Anthem were great tunes.
Needlefeast and Grand Failure Anthem were great tunes.
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EricT
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While America has been stagnated by this god awful retro-thrash scene, there hasn't exactly been a plethora of (good) originality coming from the European scene. The only debut from Europe in the last few years I can even think of in this sense is In Vain's The Latter Rain.
WhiteBeastofWotan
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Dead Congregation's debut pretty much justifies Europe's existence. But thats the only debut i can think of from there off hand that i was truly floored by.
EricT
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Wasn't exactly an original release though. It was pretty standard death metal, same shit that's been flowing out since the dawn of the 90's.
Good? Yes. Original? No.
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With the history of music stretching back thousands of years and its continued progression, don't expect originality to be around forever, because at some point, no matter what you play/sing/fart someone did it before you.
WhiteBeastofWotan
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I think it's a fairly original album. More focus on atmosphere then brutality/technicality. Yeah, its influences are obvious (immolation, incantation, and morbid angel), but 99.7% of bands have obvious influences. Not to mention some fucking GODLY riffs.
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Super Mahrio
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I'm with you on this 100%, but as I've said, the shit bands coming out of Europe aren't doing world tours and on MTV and on every single music magazine cover either.
It's not a debut, but Negura Bunget's OM is a step in the right direction over here.
Italian metal is typically fucking horrible without a single ounce of originality to it. I know nothing is really original, but it's to the point where they don't realize just how dated they are. Everyone's still trying to do a melodeath or Florida death metal over here and it's just sad. It's either that or a bunch of delusional 80's glam wannabes who still dream of being discovered while playing shit no one has listened to in 20 years and trying to squeeze their middle aged asses into the same leather pants they had in the 80's.
All that said, I think that the true originality shines in the US with experimental stuff. Melodic and melancholy experimental rock music is great from there, which is why I love bands like Dredg, Devotchka, Ours, etc.
I mean, there really isn't anywhere left to go in metal. I see the US taking over the world with crossover stuff like the aforementioned bands.
I mean, there really isn't anywhere left to go in metal. I see the US taking over the world with crossover stuff like the aforementioned bands.
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I don't have time for more than a couple here at work, but here's two bands at least.
The Faceless (although I'm sure you could lump these guys into that "tech death" category you made up):
Between the Buried and Me (do some nitpicking and you'll find these guys have been around slightly longer than 5 years, so feel free exclude this band if you'd like your point to remain in tact).
I could easily list out a bunch more right now, but the way you've already pigeonholed everything doesn't leave much room for open-mindedness, nor does it really give me much motivation to even try. Most of the stuff I want to post you could easily call "tech death" or "emo" or whatever else doesn't seem to count in your opinion.
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absu was probably a bad example, even though tara > the rest of their discography. leviathan's been around since ~98, so it's been about 10 years (and considering material on half of his demos weren't ever used again, it's hard to say in a way that it's been a true 10 years)
nachtmystium is treading in unchartered territory now, imo, since it's so taboo to mix black metal and prog/psych rock like they are with the release of worldfall and assassins, and even going back to demise and instinct: decay.
xasthur has been around since before leviathan, although official splits and demos only date back to 99 and 01 respectively. and seeing as how they're both influenced by each other, and I believe wrest had said this in interviews - theoretically, leviathan is the less-original of the pair.
then again, we're arguing in the last 5 years, which apparently none of the bands I had listed (other than wittr) conform to. then again, neither does soilwork.
Karmic
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neal
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Soilwork is pretty unoriginal, but Steelbath Suicide is way more energetic and shreddy than most in the genre. Chainheart Machine as well. i thought PP was boring and NBC is pretty enjoyable even though its kinda gay. dont care about the rest.
Undefined
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neal
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Like I said, The Faceless are more of the tech death thingy...impressive for sure, but not treading any new ground. They are at least interesting.
I knew you'd mention BTBAM, and I have to say I find them quite dull. It's Dream Theater meets metalcore/screamo with a few abstract influences here and there from other things. Not a bad band, just not my thing and still nothing really groundbreaking. Mixing two genres doesn't equal innovation.
I'd say that the only metal band I've found from the US to be really innovative recently is the band North.
Bands like Ulver, Negura Bunget, Gojira, Ackercocke, etc. all are pretty innovative in my eyes. I'm reticent to say the word original because everyone borrows even a tiny bit from other sources, but they seem to be forging their own paths. I haven't found any US bands doing things in a similar vein as these bands and it kinda sucks. The US used to be THE place to look for originality and innovation.
I'm on the hunt for anything interesting, and I haven't found it in the US metal scene. Please, by all means, post anything you find interesting or original in metal from the US, 5 years old or not.
azal
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Nothing is original. Steal from anywhere that resonates with inspiration or fuels your imagination. Devour old films, new films, music, books, paintings, photographs, poems, dreams, random conversations, architecture, bridges, street signs, trees, clouds, bodies of water, light and shadows. Select only things to steal from that speak directly to your soul. If you do this, your work (and theft) will be authentic. Authenticity is invaluable; originality is nonexistent. And don’t bother concealing your thievery—celebrate it if you feel like it. In any case, always remember what Jean-Luc Godard said: “It’s not where you take things from—it’s where you take them to. - Jim Jarmusch
I agree that Gojira is awesome..but just as BTBAM is combing prog/tech/hardcore...isn't Gojira just combining Morbid Angel/Neurosis/Strapping Young Lad/whatever.
Ulver is basically a Coil cover band.
I agree that Gojira is awesome..but just as BTBAM is combing prog/tech/hardcore...isn't Gojira just combining Morbid Angel/Neurosis/Strapping Young Lad/whatever.
Ulver is basically a Coil cover band.
Definitely Gojira is borrowing heavily from influences, but they seem to be doing something no one else is doing. BTBAM is in the same boat, this is true. They are quite interesting, but unfortunately it just doesn't do anything for me. Not taking anything away from them, I just find them boring.
I guess authenticity is what I'm really looking for, as originality is non-existent. I mean, EVERYONE borrows SOMETHING from SOMEONE at SOME point in time. But like you said, the bands I listed are taking themselves to places no one else is going. Gojira is headed in a direction using their talents and influences as a guide, not a propeller. That's more what I'm talking about...I don't see many "authentic" US bands anymore...not new bands, at least.
It's not like I'm happy about it, either. I genuinely hope that I am ignorant of some bands and that Kevin can introduce something amazing that I've been missing, much like when I discovered Gojira through seeing him rant and rave about them.
I guess authenticity is what I'm really looking for, as originality is non-existent. I mean, EVERYONE borrows SOMETHING from SOMEONE at SOME point in time. But like you said, the bands I listed are taking themselves to places no one else is going. Gojira is headed in a direction using their talents and influences as a guide, not a propeller. That's more what I'm talking about...I don't see many "authentic" US bands anymore...not new bands, at least.
It's not like I'm happy about it, either. I genuinely hope that I am ignorant of some bands and that Kevin can introduce something amazing that I've been missing, much like when I discovered Gojira through seeing him rant and rave about them.
