Within the first 40 seconds of the new Allen/Lande

[DeepestPurple]

When's the new one due out, anybody know?

 

[Diamond45]

When's the new one due out, anybody know?

From Wikipedia:

The Showdown is the third collaboration album between Masterplan vocalist Jorn Lande and Symphony X vocalist Russell Allen once again featuring Starbreaker guitarist Magnus Karlsson. It is a follow-up to The Revenge and is slated for a release on November 5, 2010 under Frontiers Records.

 

[Metaldrumz]

TODAY!

 

[Palabra de Dios]

Is it okay if I admit that I've not heard a note of any Allen - Lande material?

 

[DADRocks]

I don't care who else you would book for that ProgPower, I'd be booking my flight and tickets!!

 

[Dolamite S. Biffle]

Is it okay if I admit that I've not heard a note of any Allen - Lande material?

Nope it is unaccetpable

 

[labrekk]

Jorn yells out "Showdown!"

Russell replies with "Oh-whoa."

I get wood.



One day folks...one day I will get them both to the stage in Atlanta.

Man, if it happens and if you could also bring Pretty Maids, I'd have no choice to make my first ProgPower show ever finally a reality...

 

[labrekk]

Interesting ... I'm guessing you and I don't hear the same thing on this disc.

In my opinion only Jorn's voice is worth writing home about. Then again, Jorn can sing the phone book and I'll be happy.

Russell sounds pretty "mediocre" here, and I found myself checking back to make sure it even was Russell singing.

And the songwriting - oh my - is beyond HORRIBLE! Really, it's soooo stupid to hear yet another Magnus Karlsson (or whatever his name is) penned disc sounding like a carbon copy of everything else he's ever done just with less quality to it.

The first A/L disc was pretty awesome, the second one was good - this one stinks.

I was VERY disappointed by this album.

c.

I haven't heard the new disc but I can't believe that Russell Allen's vocals could be "mediocre". Can't happen with such a great singer. And to start with, you say that you're not the greatest Allen fan so...

And I also have a hard time to believe the album stinks, as the first video (with only Jorn) is a fine song.

I'm REALLY looking forward to hearing it.

 

[Claus / Intromental]

I haven't heard the new disc but I can't believe that Russell Allen's vocals could be "mediocre". Can't happen with such a great singer.

Well, we've had this discussion before - good singers can mess up, just like John West on that Feinstein disc (hah, I knew I could use that once again against you, haha).

And to start with, you say that you're not the greatest Allen fan so...

Where did I say that? Right, I didn't.

And I also have a hard time to believe the album stinks, as the first video (with only Jorn) is a fine song.

It is a fine song, absolutely. Just a shame we've heard that song so many times before on the other Allen/Lande albums, on the Codex album, on the Kiske/Somerville album, on the Bob Catley album etc - it's a complete rehash of everything Magnus Karlsson has done before, and it just isn't interesting any more, not even with Jorn singing it.

c.

 

[Claus / Intromental]

So Claus and Glenn, how have you heard this album already? Do you both just get sent lots of free stuff?

Yup

 

[J-Man]

Well, we've had this discussion before - good singers can mess up, just like John West on that Feinstein disc (hah, I knew I could use that once again against you, haha).



Where did I say that? Right, I didn't.




It is a fine song, absolutely. Just a shame we've heard that song so many times before on the other Allen/Lande albums, on the Codex album, on the Kiske/Somerville album, on the Bob Catley album etc - it's a complete rehash of everything Magnus Karlsson has done before, and it just isn't interesting any more, not even with Jorn singing it.

c.

I couldn't agree with you more Claus, John West on the Feinstein CD was absolutely horrible, so bad in fact I almost cried. Sometimes good singers do mess up royally, and it is because of the material they are given to sing.

 

[Harvester]

a shame we've heard that song so many times before on the other Allen/Lande albums, on the Codex album, on the Kiske/Somerville album, on the Bob Catley album etc -
c.

It works for me because I didn't pay any attention to any of those albums you listed above!

 

[Kazar]

It is a fine song, absolutely. Just a shame we've heard that song so many times before on the other Allen/Lande albums, on the Codex album, on the Kiske/Somerville album, on the Bob Catley album etc - it's a complete rehash of everything Magnus Karlsson has done before, and it just isn't interesting any more, not even with Jorn singing it.c.

100% agreed!

Personally, I like Russel a bit better than Jorn but you're really doing something wrong, as a composer, when songs with Russel and/or Jorn aren't interesting at all.

 

[GoRillaBoy76]

I would love to see Allen/Lande, that would rock. Now if only it would not break the bank to get both Masterplan and Symphony X as well.

 

[adaher]

It is a fine song, absolutely. Just a shame we've heard that song so many times before on the other Allen/Lande albums, on the Codex album, on the Kiske/Somerville album, on the Bob Catley album etc

I think that's a fair criticism, I've been noticing that for awhile as well. But he departs from his template often enough to keep me interested.

 

[nomisofsiman]

I'm not dissing Jorn here, but for some reason any of his projects outside of Masterplan (and of course Avantasia) I just find to be blah. I think his singing is great but the songwriting I just don't enjoy. I've tried his solo stuff here and there as well as Allen/Lande and it just doesn't grab me.

 

[Wayniac]

Jorn yells out "Showdown!"

Russell replies with "Oh-whoa."

I get wood.



One day folks...one day I will get them both to the stage in Atlanta.

Both total pros and a pleasure to work with - I'm in! lol
Bonus - I get good seats for a great set!

 

[AngraRULES]

...for some reason any of his projects outside of Masterplan (and of course Avantasia) I just find to be blah.

I understand it's your personal taste and all, Simon, but are you friggin' kidding me dude?!?!?!?! The moment you tell me you're a prog metal fan but you find ARK's Burn the Sun and Beyond Twilight's The Devil's Hall of Fame "blah," I need to ask myself if you're making magic mushrooms tea.

I'm going to just assume you haven't listened to these two albums and give you a few examples. Ark's Burn The Sun:





[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9zFICL-Lng&feature=related[/ame]


Beyond Twilight's Devil's Hall of Fame:



(wish this was the studio version)

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjheRozEsTo&feature=related[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbUPGXSv7AY&feature=related[/ame]

 

[Burke]

Then it will probably go over well with progressive metal audiences.

Not for THIS prog metal fan.

I agree with Claus 100% on Karlsson's songwriting

 

[DemonOfTheWoods]

One day folks...one day I will get them both to the stage in Atlanta.

...and now all those people who said "Glenn will never have Jorn back..." are saying "oh fuck, I was wrong...but I won't admit it because I'm a know-it-all"

It works for me because I didn't pay any attention to any of those albums you listed above!

The Codex album was great, mostly because of Mark Boals' amazing voice.
Bob Catley has never released a bad disc IMO.

I'm not dissing Jorn here, but for some reason any of his projects outside of Masterplan (and of course Avantasia) I just find to be blah. I think his singing is great but the songwriting I just don't enjoy. I've tried his solo stuff here and there as well as Allen/Lande and it just doesn't grab me.

Have you ever listened to Jorn's album Worldchanger? How about The Duke? If you haven't, try those two. They might help change your opinion of his solo material. I would not recommend anyone to start with either if his last 2, Lonely are the Brave or Spirit Black. They're good albums but they are nothing compared to his other solo work. If I knew how to post a video or an mp3, I would, but I'm a friggin' moron when it comes to that shit.