Within the first 40 seconds of the new Allen/Lande

Claus / Intromental said:
Well, we've had this discussion before - good singers can mess up, just like John West on that Feinstein disc (hah, I knew I could use that once again against you, haha).



Where did I say that? Right, I didn't.




It is a fine song, absolutely. Just a shame we've heard that song so many times before on the other Allen/Lande albums, on the Codex album, on the Kiske/Somerville album, on the Bob Catley album etc - it's a complete rehash of everything Magnus Karlsson has done before, and it just isn't interesting any more, not even with Jorn singing it.

c.
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You wrote "In my opinion only Jorn's voice is worth writing home about", so that doesn't mean a lot for Allen. Or maybe you were just talking about that particuliar disc and not in general?

In any ways, I won't start again on the Feinstein disc which still rules 7 years after its release...

I do agree that the Karlsson stuff has similarities, but I guess it's his "style" and I do enjoy it. AC/DC always does the same album and people still enjoy them, no? ;)
 
J-Man said:
I couldn't agree with you more Claus, John West on the Feinstein CD was absolutely horrible, so bad in fact I almost cried. Sometimes good singers do mess up royally, and it is because of the material they are given to sing.
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I won't start again on this beaten horse, but I definitely not hear the same album as Claus and you cause that Feinstein album is excellent traditional HM stuff and West's vocals are excellent as well. But maybe I'm just tone deaf...
 
labrekk said:
You wrote "In my opinion only Jorn's voice is worth writing home about", so that doesn't mean a lot for Allen. Or maybe you were just talking about that particuliar disc and not in general?
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I only meant this particular disc.
I love Russel Allen; fantastic singer; but I'm telling you that there are several places here where he just doesn't sound good at all, and places where he sounds like he doesn't even bother singing on the disc.


labrekk said:
In any ways, I won't start again on the Feinstein disc which still rules 7 years after its release...
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Haha, come on ... :)


labrekk said:
I do agree that the Karlsson stuff has similarities, but I guess it's his "style" and I do enjoy it. AC/DC always does the same album and people still enjoy them, no? ;)
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My problem here is that music in this style of music isn't supposed to be that similar. It's not AC/DC and it's not Nickelback either. I'm not expecting Karlsson to reinvent the wheel each time he puts out a product, but I do expect the songs to be different from each other.

The new Allen/Lande is full of songs that we've heard before on other of Karlsson' projects, and that's a shame.
 
AngraRULES said:
I understand it's your personal taste and all, Simon, but are you friggin' kidding me dude?!?!?!?! The moment you tell me you're a prog metal fan but you find ARK's Burn the Sun and Beyond Twilight's The Devil's Hall of Fame "blah," I need to ask myself if you're making magic mushrooms tea.

I'm going to just assume you haven't listened to these two albums and give you a few examples. Ark's Burn The Sun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=565un4CXDkA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXO3gcRusE8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9zFICL-Lng&feature=related


Beyond Twilight's Devil's Hall of Fame:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CFtFa33ah4

(wish this was the studio version)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjheRozEsTo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbUPGXSv7AY&feature=related
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Angrarules, you're so silly. Actually Ark is one of those bands I've heard of but have never gotten around to listening to. I actually had no clue Jorn had any involvment. Beyond Twilight I've honestly never heard of. I definitely will be getting into these though. If you remember from my comment though, I mentioned the stuff on Allen/Lande and Jorn's solo didn't interest me, but damn dude you went a little crazy on the samples.
 
labrekk said:
You wrote "In my opinion only Jorn's voice is worth writing home about", so that doesn't mean a lot for Allen. Or maybe you were just talking about that particuliar disc and not in general?

In any ways, I won't start again on the Feinstein disc which still rules 7 years after its release...

I do agree that the Karlsson stuff has similarities, but I guess it's his "style" and I do enjoy it. AC/DC always does the same album and people still enjoy them, no? ;)
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I'll try them out and see if I can find some songs off those on Youtube. Thanks!
 
nomisofsiman said:
Angrarules, you're so silly. Actually Ark is one of those bands I've heard of but have never gotten around to listening to. I actually had no clue Jorn had any involvment. Beyond Twilight I've honestly never heard of. I definitely will be getting into these though. If you remember from my comment though, I mentioned the stuff on Allen/Lande and Jorn's solo didn't interest me, but damn dude you went a little crazy on the samples.
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Check them out. They're amazing records. And when you check out Beyond Twilight, make sure to also check For The Love of Art and Making. It's a masterpiece of progressive metal. If only they'd decide to play a show.

As for the samples, didn't somebody post an entire thread just because I said I wasn't a big fan of Halford? :lol: They even said on the title "A Gift for AngraRULES". :lol: Was that you?

And why am I silly? :lol:
 
nomisofsiman said:
Angrarules, you're so silly. Actually Ark is one of those bands I've heard of but have never gotten around to listening to. I actually had no clue Jorn had any involvment. Beyond Twilight I've honestly never heard of. I definitely will be getting into these though. If you remember from my comment though, I mentioned the stuff on Allen/Lande and Jorn's solo didn't interest me, but damn dude you went a little crazy on the samples.
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Wait, you've never heard Ark's Burn the Sun? Do you LIKE progressive metal? Seriously man, go listen to the album. It will do you way more good than hanging around here.
 
Claus / Intromental said:
In my opinion only Jorn's voice is worth writing home about. Then again, Jorn can sing the phone book and I'll be happy.

Russell sounds pretty "mediocre" here, and I found myself checking back to make sure it even was Russell singing.
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I'm onboard with this. This makes the third time Jorn has kicked Russell's ass.

Lesson = don't go up against a vocal god.
 
nomisofsiman said:
Actually Ark is one of those bands I've heard of but have never gotten around to listening to. I actually had no clue Jorn had any involvment. Beyond Twilight I've honestly never heard of. I definitely will be getting into these though. If you remember from my comment though, I mentioned the stuff on Allen/Lande and Jorn's solo didn't interest me, but damn dude you went a little crazy on the samples.
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Just like everyone else is saying, you need to check out Burn the Sun ASAP. That has got to be one of the best CDs ever recorded. Beyond Twilight is pretty good too, but Burn the Sun is a fantastic disk.


Up&Away said:
I'm onboard with this. This makes the third time Jorn has kicked Russell's ass.

Lesson = don't go up against a vocal god.
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:lol: It really is noticeable how much better Jorn is to Russell on these releases (at least the first two since I have not heard the new one yet). But I think that could just be the type of songs written since Russell is NOT a bad singer.
 
I tend to agree with Claus on Magnus Karlsson. The more material I hear him release, the more I wish Last Tribe were still active. Those three discs blow anything else he's ever written out of the water.
 
I also kinda have to face-palm at the people talking about how much better Jorn is than Russell on these discs. I've thought this since "The Battle" came out:
I've heard both of these guys sing on tons of different stuff. The difference is that I think Jorn excels much more at other things than he does here. All of my favorite Jorn vocal moments are on stuff like Masterplan, Avantasia, Ark, and his early solo work. He seems to be operating in a very standard "safe zone" on these albums. Sure, the performances are great because he's a great singer, and the melodies are awesome - but he's not blowing me away with anything I can't get out of him elsewhere.
Meanwhile, I think Russell Allen shines on this project because he rarely gets the perfect vehicle to showcase this side of his voice. He's been much more aggressive with Symphony X lately, and usually contributes to much more progressive projects than this. This is a side of him I haven't heard done better ten times before. I think his performances tend to come off as twice as genuine as Jorn's, and I think he knocks it out of the park every time. I tend to think back to his performance on The Battle's "Come Alive". Every time I hear that line "Giving me the strength that I need!" I get a little bit of wood. Jorn doesn't do that to me on this project, though he's certainly capable of doing it elsewhere.

I don't think it helps people's perception that Jorn absolutely DOMINATES the backing vocal mix on both albums. The choruses sound like 90% Jorn and 10% Russell, I really hope that changes on this album. Based on hearing the title track, I have a feeling it might have.
 
The more material I hear him release, the more I wish Last Tribe were still active. Those three discs blow anything else he's ever written out of the water.

I'd say that's quite true. But commercially, doing these other projects for Frontiers probably makes Magnus a lot more money than Last Tribe did.

BTW, in all the talk of his work, Starbreaker and Tony O'Hora were left out. I think a case can be made that he's overextended, which is one reason he has to keep on re-using melodies.
 
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