Wolves in The Throne Room

[Cythraul]

Also, you can't use DsO as an answer.

I'm guessing he won't.

 

[Cythraul]

Whoa! Wait a second! New Sorcier des Glaces album? Must investigate.

 

[Alter]

Its not like what Fenriz is doing on TH is unlike anything before that. Bathory did it, Hellhammer did it, Discharge did it in crust punk before any of those bands. That does not make it all that original. I think the term "Crust Punk/D-beat" worship would be a better choice for both bands. What you said is just an attempt to find another thing like Wolves In The Throne Room might have copied.

If you want what makes Wolves In The Throne Room interesting than fine here it is: finely crafted and produced, dynamic, black metal than brings in influence from the post-rock/post-metal genres. This is shown on the very first track of Two Hunters. And if you did indeed her the album you would have known that that track is beyond a normal ambient sound, much more majestic and comes from keyboards and guitars in a very post-rock manner, the rest of the album mixes that with other ambient and black metal passages which are all done in a very epic sense while employing a fair amount of post-rock in the music. That post-rock element is something Burzum never had. That alone, regardless if you like it, shows what they bring to the table.

 

[Alter]

No, it is not. He is not trying to create "unwavering pulse to craft an ambient sensibility." You are trying to over-analyze a band that does not want that to be attached to the music. Fenriz has said multiple times that the drums were there to keep the pace and be raw as fuck, not to create a ambient sensibility. Nothing he did on that record is anything that had not been done before aside from a few death metal tricks here and there. It is punk drumming, many punks did that very same thing before TH was ever even written.

Dorfdisco : Do you listen to a lot of punk? I noticed some punk riffs on the new album, especially on the second track.

Fenriz : It depends on how far you stretch the term punk rock, but yeah, there’s always been punk in my life as with other musical styles. But my favorite is crust punk, we call it crust punk here. I got a shirt on now with one of America’s best bands, called World Burns To Death, actually. It’s too bad most Americans have heard of Slipnot, but not World Burns To Death. They’re crust punk. It’s a genre that was inspired by Discharge, and hasn’t changed much. But this is a band that just tours South America and stuff like that, they don’t care about commercialism at all, but they’re brutal. Totally to the max, to the core. The vocalist also sings in Severed Head of State, but you probably haven’t heard of that, either. But basically I get a lot of anger in this music. I find lots of modern black metal ridiculously devoid of anger and that stuff. So I want to do that. Usually, I’m not playing the drums anymore; I’m just hitting them now.

 

[S<issors]

Can you not read, like, at all? Or are you seriously suggesting that only mediocre music can be produced today?

Of course not!

Repeat after me:

Not buying a record is not censorship.

I will, for the moment, refrain from adding "you retard," but if you want to dispute that patently obvious point above, consider it added.

Chill, man, just some miscommunication. Obviously not purchasing something isn't censorship: you filled out your point a bit in your last few posts, but initially, the way you phrased your statement was very ambiguous (you literally just said "standards"). Hence my first reply about standards in art being a bad idea. My later comment about censorship was simply an attempt to clarify what I meant; I didn't bother adding "but now I see you've specified what you mean a bit more" as I figured that was evident.

As for what you're referring to, I don't see how people buying mediocre records is all that harmful, to be honest. Most of the good groups aren't in metal for the money.

The comparison was an generalized one... the percussion on Two Hunters is pretty much unadulterated Fenriz worship and a lot of the melodies are similar to what you'd find on Transilvanian Hunger, but more obvious in resolution.

Aight, I see what you're saying. You do understand why it would look a bit odd to see someone throwing out "DarkThrone, Burzum, and Ildjarn" as WITTR's influences, though, dontcha? After all, most black metal drumming these days is Fenriz-ish if not outright worship.

I question the competence of the execution. I also question its sincerity. But mostly, I question what the point of continuing to listen to music that duplicates the content of existing artists, but in a less eloquent expression. I'm not really concerned with style here except as it relates to content.

Ok, and that's where you and most of WITTR's fans part ways. Nothing wrong with that. It's not like Burzum and Wolves can't cooexist; they don't even exist at one another's expense. Personally, I know plenty of people who've been introduced to the classics through an interest in material like Wolves and DSO.

So yes, I agree that they bring little new to black metal, except possibly some fans. I just don't see why that's a problem.

 

[S<issors]

post-rock is a goofy ass term, by the way. Not blaming you for using it. Just saying.

 

[Kushantaiidan]

This video surprises me! Im quite a fan of this WIITR. In the video they look like they belong in a post rock band or a hardcore, and look like they are playing such music, yet they're playing BM.. Dunno if that make sense! But it's just odd! But I love this band. 12 Diadems was very weakling inspired, and I'm glad they've gone in their own unique direction with Two Hunters.

And i'm not saying black metal bands have to LOOK metal or anything, just an observation. =)

 

[chuj666]

I prefer BM bands with corpse paint

 

[Alter]

D-beat and crust percussion styles are played and with a single kick drum and typically played without fills or tempo changes. Fenriz's playing displays a marked - and long acknowledged - Chris Reifert influence in it's (double) kick work and fills, set against a more typically 'black metal' ambient pulse (which, is, after all, achieved by 'just keeping up' in the simplest way possible). Dredging up an interview promoting The Cult is Alive tells us nothing about the classic recordings of the early 90s - it tells us about his thought process in 2006. Thanks for playing.

No, the drumming is very d-beat. I think we have gone have down to the points where it does not effect Two Hunters anymore.

post-rock is a goofy ass term, by the way. Not blaming you for using it. Just saying.

Post-rock makes a ton of sense when applied to the right bands. Not everything needs to be post-genre that has long, extended songs.

 

[Jreg]

I haven't listened to this band a whole lot other than giving the two full-lengths maybe a couple of spins, but some of it definitely struck me as having a more shoegazey ambiance to it, whereas some of the classics that probably inspired them were a bit more discordant, eerie and visceral. That's not really a bad thing, as their music has some pretty cool passages, but they're missing an edginess found in most black metal. It's the kind of band that has immediately grabbed me thus far, but it's one that I could see myself revisiting in a few years and getting into more. Until then, they just seem decent but overrated.

 

[Kushantaiidan]

I prefer BM bands with corpse paint

I only listen to bands that wear their bullet belts on their LEFT shoulder.

and zomg i can't beleive i watched you sig.. -_-