The election process is way overpriced. For all the talk about a possible recession and how each person will combat it, the amount of money wasted during an election could be used far better. I'll never willingly donate my money to a candidate. I hope Obama gets the win over Clinton but I'll likely be voting for McCain.
Yes we can. 2/12/08
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OrbWeaver
BECAUSE FALCONER
Just remember, without donations, your canidate of choice may not be around for you to vote for.
And, on the other hand, with a lot of money and shitty advertising, (ie ron paul), your canidate of choice may also not be around to vote for.
Cant win them all.
And, on the other hand, with a lot of money and shitty advertising, (ie ron paul), your canidate of choice may also not be around to vote for.
Cant win them all.
i dont want to get into some big heated debate here cause ill be the first to admit i dont know much about politics, and i highly doubt id win the debate, but the fact that mccain suggests we might need to stay in iraq for 100 more years sounds so selfish, ridiculous, and stupid
Except he didn't say that. He said we could stay in Iraq that long if the situation became like that of Germany or South Korea. John McCain is no idiot. He said back in 2007 that if the surge didn't work and the Iraqi government made no progress that we'd need to look at ending our involvement. He knows what war is. He's not going to make an endless commitment. But he won't give it all up as quickly as his opponents either.
Except he didn't say that. He said we could stay in Iraq that long if the situation became like that of Germany or South Korea. John McCain is no idiot. He said back in 2007 that if the surge didn't work and the Iraqi government made no progress that we'd need to look at ending our involvement. He knows what war is. He's not going to make an endless commitment. But he won't give it all up as quickly as his opponents either.
rockyracoon
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Hillary gets my vote, in hopes that if she does win Bill will actually be the one running the show(behind the scenes of course.) Kinda like how Nancy Reagan did for Ronald, except done well.
TheWhisper
Cobra Kai Never Dies
TheWhisper
Cobra Kai Never Dies
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Pellaz
Tigron of Immanion
Concur. Obama is likeable, connects well with people, has that brash rockstar appeal...and is the second-worst choice to lead the US (and the Western world) right now.
Whether we like it or not, Western mores and society are firmly in the targets of Muslim fundamentalists around the world. It is not just "the U.S. versus them," either: in its broadcasts on al-Jazeera, Al-queda has stated its opposition to "the throne of Rome," which is a reference to all Western democracies and the Western world.
Barack Hussein Obama says we should use diplomacy with them. He says that we should negotiate more. Sorry, I disagree.
I also disagree with most of his domestic policy....as a federal employee, the prospect of nationalizing 12% of the American economy under government control frightens me to no end. The US Government can't do ANYTHING cheaply or efficiently, so why anyone would want some officious government bureaucrat to determine when and how you receive health-care is beyond me. Ultimately, it will be the worst boondoggle of the early 21st Century.
I'm a small-ell libertarian, and I like a lot of Ron Paul's ideas, but the simple fact is that he is wayy too soft on global terrorism. Epic fail. Plus, his supporters are his most embarassing 'asset.'
+1 for his honesty. And besides, the surge has been working.
I'm not a huge McCain fan, but when you look at the global picture, he is the clear winner.
Oh......I can't envision any circumstance whatsoever where I would vote for Hillary. She is as phoney as a $3 bill and astonishingly mean-spirited. (Ask me about the Clintons' move from the Arkansas governor's mansion back to Hope sometime....)
I cannot support compulsory wage garnishments to join a socialized healthcare system (you'd have no choice but to join under her plan), and I don't like her plan to levy a 'one-time' 15% tax on every outstanding retirement-plan balance to 'shore up' Social Security. If the system is broken, fix it, don't throw more of our hard-earned retirement money at it.
In the end, I'll probably hold my nose and vote for McCain.
Diamond45
Terminate Bad Music
Sorry, none of the candidates (Republican or Democrat) represent my views. I'll probably be voting against Klinton or Osama during the election... if you want to call it that. 
Pellaz
Tigron of Immanion
Well, that's pretty much the case with me in every election, since I'm a small-ell libertarian.
From the GOP, I'd borrow a strong national defense, more of a fiscally conservative attitude, reduced taxes (or the Fair Tax, despite the fact that it would cost me my job), etc.
From the Democrats, I'd borrow their more socially liberal attitude, their alleged tolerance and diversity, etc.
There really isn't a perfect hole for my political peg.
I'd be a card-carrying member of the Libertarian Party......except that they're all freaks or windbags.
(Except for my friends who are involved in the party....they're cool. But those others.......)
Sorry, none of the candidates (Republican or Democrat) represent my views. I'll probably be voting against Klinton or Osama during the election... if you want to call it that.
Why don't you just not vote? And, whenever I hear these "not my views" thing, I always wonder what those views are.
Diamond45
Terminate Bad Music
I took one of those online "tests" a while back were you can find the candidate that shares your views on pressing issues. I forget who the test found to be my candidate, but it wasn't any of the front runners. If I find the test again, I'll post the URL and take it again to see what those issues were that I chose (it was something like 35 questions).
Diamond45
Terminate Bad Music
Well, that's pretty much the case with me in every election, since I'm a small-ell libertarian.
I'm more of a moderate myself. But I really hate BOTH large parties right now. Only in America where we have two dominate political parties. Most countries have three or four parties. Canada has several.
shaq
Demon of the Fall
Tests like that are usually a good way to get an overview of things. If you're using that entirely as your basis on who you vote for, you don't deserve to be voting in the first place, or even participate in a real discussion of the topic. Pick up a newspaper, turn on the news, listen to them talk and debate, and THEN form an opinion.
Here is a pretty good one, for anyone interested: http://www.speakout.com/VoteMatch/senate2006.asp?quiz=2008
The only question there that boggled my mind was the tie between family values and religion. Apparently being strongly in favor of family values means being strongly in favor of prayer in schools? Who knew.
Braxil
Member
That one was alright. I came out as closest to John Cox and furthest away from Barack Obama.
freakchylde
PPUSA Driver o' Doom!!!!!
Heh, mine gave me Hilary (and I know good and well she's at the bottom of my list....right after contracting syphilis and amoebic dysentery).
Diamond45
Terminate Bad Music
I tend to ignore the 24-hour blabbermouth talking head biased news networks and most biased newspapers. They spew more bullshit then the people on this forum.
Seriously - I have my views on issues (abortion, gun rights, etc.) that I won't bother boring people here with. I lean towards the conservative side but I'm not a "right winger" either. I'm more moderate, and at times, libertarian. But I just don't like any of the front runners in either party. I'll probably vote against whoever wins on the Democrat side by sending my vote to (not for) the candidate that wins on the Republican side.
I have not voted "for" a presidential candidate since George H. W. Bush (the first one, not the current one) back in 1988. Ever since then, I've voted "against" a candidate, not for a candidate, because it was the lesser of two evils.
Jim LotFP
The Keeper of Metal
Terrorism is one of the most insignificant and overblown activities of our lifetime.
Murders in the US trends:
2000 15,586
2001 16,037
2002 16,229
2003 16,528
2004 16,148
2005 16,740
2006 17,034
Terrorism trends*:
year Acts Deaths Wounded
2003 208 625 3646
2002 199 725 2013
2001 346 3547 1080
2000 423 405 791
1999 392 233 706
1998 273 741 5952
1997 304 221 693
1996 296 311 2652
1995 440 165 6291
Data no longer collected after 2003 from this source. And I'm not sure how they are counting (if they are in any way) deaths in Iraq. But not all of Iraq violence is "terrorism". Seems they ignore also civil wars and the tactics used in those (which can be quite similar to terrorism). But since this latter stuff is stuff ignored by people anyhow, I won't bother including it. But just know that all the terrorism caused deaths in history, do not equal the deaths caused by unintentional injuries last year.
Murders in the US trends:
2000 15,586
2001 16,037
2002 16,229
2003 16,528
2004 16,148
2005 16,740
2006 17,034
Terrorism trends*:
year Acts Deaths Wounded
2003 208 625 3646
2002 199 725 2013
2001 346 3547 1080
2000 423 405 791
1999 392 233 706
1998 273 741 5952
1997 304 221 693
1996 296 311 2652
1995 440 165 6291
Data no longer collected after 2003 from this source. And I'm not sure how they are counting (if they are in any way) deaths in Iraq. But not all of Iraq violence is "terrorism". Seems they ignore also civil wars and the tactics used in those (which can be quite similar to terrorism). But since this latter stuff is stuff ignored by people anyhow, I won't bother including it. But just know that all the terrorism caused deaths in history, do not equal the deaths caused by unintentional injuries last year.
Mainly because right now Americans believe that if you don't believe in God, or some variation therein, you have no moral compass with which to fly by. Frankly, I think this line of thinking is sickening, even myself being Catholic. My religion doesn't dictate my morals by any stretch. They're simply in line with one another, and there are plenty of things the church would have me adopt into my moral fabric if I would let it, but I can't because of .. oh, whats that phrase? ... common sense.
