you can't play this

[Vincent J.]

Fine, I'll get around to it when I finish making my Katatonia cover.

What Katatonia song are you covering btw?

 

[Dead Winter]

Well, every good musician should know rhythm and melody at the same time

I agree wholeheartedly. My point was simply that playing Meshuggah defies the rules of the "regular" guitarist.

 

[Lordlucid]

The thing is, "Bleed" is the most straightforward song on their new album.

I'm not saying that no one can play it...my drummer could play that, but not because he's a great guitarist, but because his mind for rhythms is on par with Meshuggah-style music.

Every riff he comes up with he has to show me and it takes a while for me to wrap my head around it. The interview said it all: most guitarists show you how to play a "regular" type riff (for lack of a better word), this is the effect, etc. But this is more of a lesson in rhythms.

I just saw Meshuggah at Metal Camp and it's so mind-boggling that even if they fucked up, you'd never know it. To play Meshuggah, you cannot think like a guitarist.

Can your drummer play the drums to the song though? I sure as fuck can't even come close. My buddy who has been drumming since he was in elementry school has a shit hard time playing the drum beats.

 

[Dead Winter]

He probably could, but with much practice. He's completely ambidextrous and all four of his limbs are separate from the other. He's a fucking freak.

I think he could do it after a while, but maybe not exactly like Haake. That man is inhuman.

That's the thing about Meshuggah; people who play their stuff usually don't play it correctly or exactly as Meshuggah play it, and that's no slight on their part. I can't play that song...maybe if I slowed it down a bit and saw each and every down and upstroke and did it by muscle memory I could after a couple of hours, but not right off the bat. But again, the picking is the easy part; it's the change-ups that fuck you.

But Emanuele's (my drummer) idols are Haake and Barker and Bozzio. His feet aren't as fast as, say, Hellhammer's, but he's got pretty decent hands. In our first practice session, we played "Do Not Speak" by Anaal Nathrakh.

 

[azal]

haake said it took him 6 months of practice before he was able to record the song, so I'd say it's pretty hard for drummers too.

 

[Dead Winter]

haake said it took him 6 months of practice before he was able to record the song, so I'd say it's pretty hard for drummers too.

So there ya go. Their ability is astounding, but to me, what's more astounding is their ability to come up with this fucked up shit.

And unlike bands like Behold...the Arctopus, it all just fits together somehow without sounding like a bunch of random notes thrown in there.

Meshuggah is the modern-day Mozart, in my opinion. They have so many ideas that come straight from their minds that they themselves can't even play them at first. It's literally like writing down notes on a pentagram from what you hear in your head.

 

[Lordlucid]

I wish I could play this on my drums.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5YEqmIIdj8&feature=related[/ame]

 

[azal]

yeah, morgan agren is also not human.

have you heard any mats/morgan band stuff? really amazing.

 

[azal]

also the riff at 1:48 is one of my fav riffs in metal ever.

 

[Superior]

I think I might like Sol Niger Within more than any meshuggah record.

also why haven't any of you mentioned None, thats one of their best I think

 

[Chromatose]

I think I might like Sol Niger Within more than any meshuggah record.

I sure do, but I'd say they can't really be compared.

 

[Superior]

not anymore really, but I think Sol Niger Within is pretty close in similarity with say None or Destroy Erase Improve, just Sol Niger Within takes Fredricks jazzy/angular solo style and makes an entire cd out of it.

 

[Vincent J.]

But Emanuele's (my drummer) idols are Haake and Barker and Bozzio. His feet aren't as fast as, say, Hellhammer's, but he's got pretty decent hands. In our first practice session, we played "Do Not Speak" by Anaal Nathrakh.

Dude, Do Not Speak has faaaast double bass in the end. Or didn't you play the end?

 

[Vincent J.]

So there ya go. Their ability is astounding, but to me, what's more astounding is their ability to come up with this fucked up shit.

And unlike bands like Behold...the Arctopus, it all just fits together somehow without sounding like a bunch of random notes thrown in there.

Meshuggah is the modern-day Mozart, in my opinion. They have so many ideas that come straight from their minds that they themselves can't even play them at first. It's literally like writing down notes on a pentagram from what you hear in your head.

It's not that hard I think. Especially if you're using a lot of rhythmic displacement it's even kind of logical to write things you can't play yet, 'cause it's just a lot of maths (theory).

 

[Dead Winter]

Dude, Do Not Speak has faaaast double bass in the end. Or didn't you play the end?

We played the end.

Standard 1 2 1 2 1 2 double bass is pretty easy for him, but it's the 1 1 2 1 1 2 1 1 2 that gives that "rolling" sound that gives problems. He's studying though. He can do it, but not as fast as someone like George Kollias or Tim Yeung.

 

[Vincent J.]

We played the end.

Standard 1 2 1 2 1 2 double bass is pretty easy for him, but it's the 1 1 2 1 1 2 1 1 2 that gives that "rolling" sound that gives problems. He's studying though.

Okay, the standard pattern in Bleed is pretty easy for double bass, as long as you play it like "RLR L". Then it's a little bit hard to deal with the displacement in relation to the hihat, but after three hihat hits it's all the same.
If I had good double-bass-speed I could play it, now I fail after two bars :/

 

[Det Som Engang Var]

What Katatonia song are you covering btw?

Dissolving Bonds. As usual 99% of the time invested in it will be programming the stupid drums.

 

[Vincent J.]

Dissolving Bonds. As usual 99% of the time invested in it will be programming the stupid drums.

Do you have a good programmer? I'm quite in need of one myself...

 

[Altitudes]

Meshuggah is the modern-day Mozart, in my opinion.

...

 

[Det Som Engang Var]

Do you have a good programmer? I'm quite in need of one myself...

I use the Roland drum programmer in my recorder. If you wanted one online and aren't computer illiterate like I am, I would try to get that Toon Track Drumkit From Hell thing. Myrkgrav used it and it sounds really good.