1inch ala Sneap... or my room???

[Melb_shredder]

Ok... so as per requested, I recorded a quick clip of my new guitar through my mark IV... But despite how good it sounded in the room. I just couldn't get it to sound the same miced....

Now.. I tried close to the cone.. too brittle, too far and not enough highs... in between and the tone is acceptable but doesn't sound as good as in the room...

I tried different mic positions in terms of distance and found that further away sounded better over all, but my bedroom became SUCH a hindrance..

With the 1 inch/ close mic it sounded less room affected but the tone was too narrow...


What the hell am I doing wrong!

PS. I'll post the clip soon, my net is too slow!

 

[Ermz]

The cab is too large for your room. You will always have acoustic issues this way. The mic ultimately picks up a phasey mess unless you at least have some rudimentary treatment on the walls. Even in that case you're still left dealing with the excessive boom of the cab as its resonance sympathetically plays with the room modes.

I don't mic any closer than 4" these days.

 

[Melb_shredder]

Fuck.... That's shithouse!

Well another thing I'm going to try, thanks to long leads... Is have the cab in my living room... It's fairly big and spacious, so I might try it in there and close mic again just to see. Should get as much of that low WOOMPH from the cab that way because the room will be like 20 something x 20 something feet as oposed to a 10 x 10 box of a room....


4" huh! As a minimum... Interesting!

Cheers dude!

 

[Mikaël-ange]

Personatly I often mic around 1/2 inch (2 cm for european people) with a sm57. But yesterday I try my usual mic placement but I put a condenser mic in phase with my sm57. Help a lot for open the sound

Btw, Andy say something related to this a couple of years ago.
1 sm57 put on dustcap (close to dead center) at 1 inch.
An other sm57, same position but at 2 inch.
With this placement you have two different mid frequency spot...

Experiment with that and good luck

 

[Melb_shredder]

I will muck around for the most part when I get the chance. But my main point is atleast things sound fantastic in the room, it's a good starting point

 

[Lasse Lammert]

Btw, Andy say something related to this a couple of years ago.
1 sm57 put on dustcap (close to dead center) at 1 inch.
An other sm57, same position but at 2 inch.
With this placement you have two different mid frequency spot...

Experiment with that and good luck

nope, he said one mic close to dead center 1" from the grille, the other mic 2cm from the first mic (two cm to the side, between the mics).
both would have the same distance from the grille to not run into phas-shit

 

[Mikaël-ange]

both would have the same distance from the grille to not run into phas-shit

Oh my god, haven't understand like this
If I understand well it's exactly position 1A/3A...

I do same but with position 2A/3A with sm57 and condenser

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/835412/Photo0140.jpg

 

[darthjujuu]

put the cab in a corner, a few feet out from the wall, facing some furniture if possible. i've always gotten reasonable results from an untreated room. just don't be afraid to move it around a bunch, you might get lucky and find a "hot spot". also read anssi's tutorial about context, it might not be as bad as you think

 

[Melb_shredder]

Here's the clip in question
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/306055/Sls3Test.mp3

 

[::XeS::]

nope, he said one mic close to dead center 1" from the grille, the other mic 2cm from the first mic (two cm to the side, between the mics).
both would have the same distance from the grille to not run into phas-shit

What about the 3:1 tecnique?
One mic 1cm away from the grill and the other mic 3cm to the side, 1cm from the grill too.

 

[darthjujuu]

whoa. that does sound phasey and weird. try getting right on the cone (where it's too brittle) and just lopassing. it's alot easier to track it too harsh and then cut the highs, then it is to record muffled and try to put some high mids back in.

 

[zackpennington]

It does sound phasey but the tone and playing are legit!

 

[kaomao]

Here's the clip in question
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/306055/Sls3Test.mp3

did you try recoding the top speakers?
you got early reflections (from the floor) micing the lower speaker, this happens especially with untreated rooms.

 

[Melb_shredder]

Actually, it IS the top speaker, I never mic the bottom ones