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Caesar Metallius said:
I see your point, but what I do does not hurt or take away from anyone. Smoking affects me, and me only. (I do my best to let it not affect those around me). Stealing affects others like Opeth, and therefore should be kept to minimum, if done at all.

Actually, because smoking pot is illegal, it doesn't just affect you. It affects everyone that is a citizen of your country (at least if you're American), because of the tax money needed to detain people selling and using drugs. I don't think it should be illegal, but it is, so therefore it's not that simple. Dorian basically made that point earlier, but i guess you didn't read it.

You can make up whatever reasons you want for smoking or for not smoking, but basically it just boils down to whether you want to do it or not. I personally enjoy it, mostly for how it lets me perceive music, but it doesn't matter to me if other people do it. All the bodily effects it might have don't really bother me. I know it doesn't kill me and the fact is, I undergo more bodily harm just going to the beach and exposing myself to the UV rays. Some people in this topic have lumped marijuana in with other drugs like cocaine and heroin, which is absolutely ridiculous. Pot is not a narcotic drug, and its not addicting. It may be habitually addicting, but you do not go into withdrawl from not smoking. I smoked everyday for a few months, then one day decided not to smoke for a while, so i didn't smoke for over a month. I'm not bragging (especially since thats nothing to brag about), I'm just saying that marijuana can be controlled by will-power, unlike cocaine and heroin, which cause an actual chemical dependence.

I remember someone said something about "once you have a family, smoking pot is pretty much out of the question" or something to that effect. Well that only depends on how you use it. You tend to lose track of time when you're high and don't really care about things you have to do, so it would not be a good idea to have an infant and get high. But if your kids are grown and doing things on their own, smoking a joint while theyre off at school isn't going to make a difference. I don't know if I'll continue to smoke when i have a family, but I don't dismiss the possibility. I see no problem in getting high, so I'm not going to let having a family keep me from doing it. Smoking has never kept me from being able to do anything, so I'm not going to treat it like some villian in my life. But i'm also not going to deify it and make it seem completely necessary. Bottomline: if a badass new album comes out that i want to hear high, I doubt a family will keep me from doing so.
 
Looking for a Job said:
you shouldn't do anything "bad" when you have kids, i.e. drugs, crime, bizarre sexual things, etc. there needs to be more abortions damnit

That only makes sense if pot is bad, which i dont think it is, so...
 
I used to love it when I was younger, everything was better...food, beer, music, sex...everything. But the effect it had really changed over the years. I haven't really smoked in probably about 8 years, but it was beginning to depress me terribly. I already have a depression problem...that did just what it used to do, but in a negative way by amplifying it.

I think I'd still drop a hit of acid if I had a long weekend free and could lock myself up to just trip my face off...now that's the best drug in the world...IMO of course.

Seth
 
Caesar Metallius said:
You make good points Dorian, but life shouldn't be lived under complete oppression of the christian majority.
a thought on the "Christian Right": one would think Christians would encourage the use and legalization of marijuana because it's "natural". That's always bothered me for some reason. A Christian will undergo an incredibly invasive procedure like robotic coronary artery bypass grafts but not smoke weed. They will drown themselves in caffeine but not drink beer. Oh well, whatever.

Speaking of caffeine: it is considered much more "harmful" to short and long term health than marijuana. Granted, I don't know of any actual long-term studies on weed but my opinion is that I'd rather be smoking weed for 50 years than drinking a pot of coffee every day. I'm not advocating either, by the way.

@Seth: hallucinogens are unpredictable.

One more thing: keep in mind that everyone's "body chemistries" and drug tolerances are different. I know people who do coke on a daily basis but *I* can't take a Benadryl without passing out. My point is: be careful.
 
"Does anyone think that anthropologist Margaret Mead's strange behavior as of late could be linked with a private marijuana addiction?" :dopey:
 
No matter why or what drugs you use, Im saying it will open your mind to new things, broaden your horizons, make you see evrything in a new light. So,go out party hard and DO DRUGS




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"And dont forget to bring a towel"
 
Physical Effects
Physically, cannabis is relatively harmless. Studies have observed interesting results, including that it causes structural changes in the brain, depresses male sperm counts, causes chromosome damage, lowers testosterone levels, and damages the lungs. Most of these claims, however, have been unreplicated in humans or have been contradicted by other work. This section will address each of these reported negative side-effects.

Various studies have claimed that cannabis destroys brain cells (Landfield et al., 1988; Haper et al., 1977; Meyers and Heath, 1979; Heath et al., 1980). However, several other studies found no structural or neurochemical atrophy in the brain at all (Cabral et al., 1991; Paule et al., 1992; Co et al., 1977; Kuehnle, 1977). Furthermore, it should be noted that Heath's work was sharply criticized for avoiding safeguards of bias and reporting "changes" that occur normally in the mammalian brain (Natl. Acad. of Sciences, Inst. Medicine, 1982).

Wu et al. (1988) found a correlation between cannabis use and low sperm counts in human males. This is misleading because a decrease in sperm count has not been shown to have a negative effect on fertility and because the sperm count returns to normal after cannabis use has stopped. (Natl. Acad. Sciences, Inst. Medicine, 1982)

Another claim made was that cannabis causes chromosome breakage. The primary source for this are studies that were conducted by Dr. Gabriel Nahas in the early 1980s. Nahas observed abnormalities in somatic (not sex) cells of rhesus monkeys in vitro (i.e., in test tubes and petri dishes) and then made the unjustified conclusion that these changes would occur in human bodies in vivo (in the body). Nahas' work was criticized by his colleagues and, in 1983, he backed away from his own conclusions.

A widely held claim has also been that cannabis lowers male testosterone levels (Kolodny, 1974). This theory has been challenged by several studies (Block, 1991; Mendelson et al., 1974; Coggins et al., 1976) that found no correlation at all. Marijuana and Health (Natl. Acad. Sciences, Inst. Medicine, 1982), also, after reviewing literature at that time, concluded that "Due to conflicting and incomplete evidence, it is not possible to conclude at the present time whether marijuana smoking has a significant effect upon gonadotropic and testosterone concentrations in humans."

The most serious physical danger of using cannabis is in smoking it. Inhaling any sort of burnt plant matter is not very good for the lungs. Tashkin et al. (1990) reports decreased gas exchange capacity and the existence of particle residue in the lungs of marijuana smokers several times greater than for tobacco smokers. Wu et al. (1988) noted that marijuana is several times more carcinogenic than tobacco. These findings, though, must be interpreted with caution. In both studies, smoked marijuana was not filtered, while smoked tobacco was. Tashkin et al. notes that, "these differences could largely account for more than twofold greater tar yield from marijuana than tobacco that was measured using syringe-simulated puffs of similar volume and duration." Smoking cannabis through a water-pipe will filter out water soluble carcinogens and will also greatly cool down the smoke. Furthermore, cannabis need not be smoked: In Middle Eastern countries, it has been consumed through teas and food for centuries, avoiding the carcinogenicity of smoke altogether.

Despite cannabis' known negative effects to lung function, it has never been reported to cause a single instance of lung cancer. Tobacco, though, is expected to kill 400,000 people this year (Glenn, 1992). If cannabis is so much more dangerous to a user's lungs than tobacco and is so much more carcinogenic, why aren't there stacks of reports of cannabis-induced lung cancer? One interesting theory is that it's because tobacco tars are significantly radioactive, while marijuana tars aren't at all. Winters et al. (1982) found that a pack-and-a-half-a-day smoker of tobacco is exposed to 8000 mrem of radiation a year, equal to the dose of 300 chest x-rays. A more recent study indicates that a pack-and-a-half-a-day smoker receives 16000 mrem of radiation more than a non-smoker, annually (NCRP Report #95, 1987). It could also be noted that the mere contents of carcinogenic chemicals doesn't necessarily indicate an extreme health hazard. For example, roasted coffee contains 800 volatile chemicals, of which only 21 have been tested on rodents, and of those, 16 were carcinogenic (Ames, 1990). Coffee has never been considered a great cancer-causing substance, though.

Cannabis has also been known for its many therapeutic uses, including the treatment of open angle glaucoma, asthma, and the nausea associated with chemotherapy. It has also been described as a tumor retardant, an antibiotic, a sleep-inducer, and a muscle relaxant (Cohen, 1980).

Psychological Effects
The psychological effects of cannabis use have been described quite many years before the physical effects, yet are as accurate today as they were 100 years ago. Following is an early account of its intoxicating properties made by Dr. John Bell in 1857:

"I had taken the drug with great skepticism as to its reputed action, or at any rate with the opinion that it was grossly exaggerated, and I accordingly made up my mind not to be 'caught napping' in this way again, and to keep a careful watch over my thoughts. But while enforcing this resolution as I supposed, I found myself, to my own astonishment, waking from a reverie longer and more profound than any previous. From skepticism, to the fullest belief of all I had read on the subject, was but a step. Its effects so far surpassed anything which words can convey, that I began to think I was on the verge of narcotic poisoning; yet, strange to say, there was not the slightest feeling of inquietude on that account. I resolved to walk into the street. While rising from the chair, another lucid interval showed that another dream had come and gone. While passing through the door, I was aware of having wandered again, but how or when I had permitted myself to fall into the reverie I was perfectly unconscious, and knew only that it seemed to have lasted an interminable length of time." (Bell, 1857)
The user of cannabis feels the onset of the "high" between 7 seconds (when smoking) and up to 30 minutes (after eating). This involves a relaxed and peaceful, yet sometimes euphoric state of mind. At high doses, it can cause hallucinations. The effects last from 2 to 4 hours after the drug is ingested, and it usually leaves the user in a relaxed state for several hours after the high. One of the main intoxicating properties is that short term memory is inhibited for the duration of the high. Thoughts may seem unclear, and it might be difficult for a user to concentrate on logical-complicated concepts like mathematics.

Long-term effects have been argued for many years. There are claims of an "amotivational syndrome" where users are said to withdraw from society and lose ambition. In reviewing evidence for and against the theory of this "syndrome," however, Marijuana and Health (Nat. Acad. Sciences, Inst. Medicine, 1982) concluded that:

"Such symptoms have been known to occur in the absence of marijuana. Even if there is an association between this syndrome and the use of marijuana, that does not prove that marijuana causes the syndrome. Many troubled individuals seek an 'escape' into use of drugs; thus, frequent use of marijuana may become one more in a series of counterproductive behaviors for these unhappy people."
Other studies have found another interesting correlation: Shedler et al. (1990) reported these results in a longitudinal survey of adolescents:
"Adolescents who engaged in some drug experimentation (primarily with marijuana) were the best adjusted in the sample. Adolescents who used drugs frequently were maladjusted, showing distinct personality syndrome marked by interpersonal alienation, poor impulse control, and manifest emotional distress. Adolescents who, by age 18, had never experimented with any drug were relatively anxious, emotionally constricted, and lacking in social skills."
Among other findings, Utah Power and Light spent $215.00 per year less on health insurance benefits for drug users than on the control group, and employees who tested positive for cannabis at Georgia Power Co. had a higher promotion rate than the company average, and were absent 30 percent less (Morris, 1991).
 
wow, all this shit on weed, well about 420, i heard that its the term that cops use when they catch some smoking it. like "weve got a 420" or something like that. Well thats just what ive heard.
 
dorian gray said:
@Seth: hallucinogens are unpredictable.

One more thing: keep in mind that everyone's "body chemistries" and drug tolerances are different. I know people who do coke on a daily basis but *I* can't take a Benadryl without passing out. My point is: be careful.

Yes they are, otherwise they wouldn't be so fun... :Spin:

But seriously, I would not recommend that others take acid or any other hard drug. Only bad things can happen. My experiences with acid were all good for the most part and that was the hardest drug I ever did(tried coke a couple times, have no idea what the draw is??). But my experiences with ridiculously heavy drinking got me nothin' but trouble in my later years, so all in all...when you're younger you can possibly handle drugs and booze a little better...when you're older, you have a greater tolerance, but your brain is slowly dying at the same time making you do very stupid things.

Which agree's with your 'body chemistry' point. Not only is everyone's chemistry different, but our own continues to change over the years, so the effect these drugs have will change eventually.

Seth
 
this drummer I used to jam with...we used to drive around smoking from a bubbler then we'd jam stoned out of our minds. I'd turn the reverb all the way up and pretend I'm david gilmour and he'd just but a bandana on and pretend he's jon bonham. Basically, we just transported ourselves back to the early 70s section of our brains. Good times back when I actually smoked pot. I'm done with that stuff now.
 
i don't even know what that is. i was hoping you'd post it here for old time's sake