6 December -- Hungarian poll

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There's a general poll next Sunday in Hungary, we have to vote about two things, or rather, say aye or nay to two questions:

a) Should the privatization of hospitals and other health care institutions be stopped and prohibited once and for all?

b) Should the Hungarian people living outside the Hungarian borders be given dual citizenship by the mother country?


These are rather matters of great concern now, and there are pros and cons to both yes and no, principles vs. reality + the conservatives (yes-yes) and the socialists (no-no) opposing each other totally in both questions + I'm not sure it's worth going to vote anyway, so I simply can't decide. That's why I'm asking about your opinion. (As it seems after all I'm gonna have the possibility to go and vote, which, even though I have my doubts about the value of my vote, I decided to do.)

Health care is quite shitty in Hungary in a lot of places, plus we have this porket money thing that's going on in the state financed sector, meaning health care is supposed to be reduced from your salary so it's "free", but if you want to be treated decently, in most cases you pay extra into the pocket of the docs and nurses. So I wouldn't mind private hospitals at all, if I have to pay anyway when bad comes to worse and I have to go to hospital, at least I know how much and what for and I get a bill. On the other hand, large-scale privatization alone might not put an end to all of this.

The other question about the dual citizens is even harder, they say it'd cost too much to the country, all the non-Hungy Hungies getting all the benefits and not actually working for the nation cause they'd stay in their home, but I think it's a shitty situation for them now that they're excluded from the EU and treated as barbarians simply on geographical grounds (well, we are treated as barbarians too, but at least we're in).


So, if you've bothered to read this far, what do you think?
 
For example, I'd like to know how it goes in other countries, like the Irish in Northern Ireland, do they have a dual citizenship?

I have no idea about the number of Hungarian people in minorities, but I guess there're millions. How would they decide who's Hungarian? By birth or by language? Or something else?
 
Well, there are several reasons for why I'm against privatization of hospitals
and other health care institutions. Many of which I haven't given a proper
thought. All I know is that it most certainly leads to unfare sharing of
resources, as anyone who's rich enough will be able to buy himself (physical)
wealth and the ones who attend at the public hospitals have to cope with
what they have (which of course probably is of worse quality than what the
private sector has).

There are of course many other arguements that can be told, i.e. that the
queue will be shorter and more people will get 'well' faster. Although, when
it comes to the end, I'm against privatization of hospitals and other health
care institutions.

(I don't really like discussing on the net, especially politics).

- rafael
 
It's not politics, rather social care policy, well, either way, I just called a friend who had an operation of her slipped disc, if she hadn't known someone there at the hospital who took her on the op list she might still be suffering from the pain and waiting for the operation, plus she paid another 120 euros for the free health care (which might not be much to you, but the salary of a general working or middle class Hungarian is about 400). So you have to pay anyway, besides paying the compulsory health care reduced from your wages.
 
Erm, I don't why this is not politics. As far as I know, everything concerning
a public matter on how things are to be solved (and more of course) are
politics.

Anyways, if I understood you right a friend of yours got on top of the queue
because she knew someone and that is good because she didn't have to
suffer from the pain anymore?

I'm glad for your friend that got (obviously) well, but what about those
people who had waited a long time and had to wait even more because
you're friend knew someone who (I suspect) was corrupt (trespassing the
hospital rules, I assume). Even though it might be hard to live in Hungary
(which I assume it according to how you wrote that you're paying so much
for almost nothing in return), I don't reckon it's justified to share the
resources unevenally because someone has friends or more money than
others.

That's my $0.02.

EDIT: Some of my words weren't used correctly, so I apologie if I
offended you or someone.
 
You guys need to watch some NFL, though I'm stuck having to hope the Chiefs win, it's horrible. How can sth that feels so wrong be right?
 
rafael said:
Erm, I don't why this is not politics. As far as I know, everything concerning
a public matter on how things are to be solved (and more of course) are
politics.

Anyways, if I understood you right a friend of yours got on top of the queue
because she knew someone and that is good because she didn't have to
suffer from the pain anymore?

I'm glad for your friend that got (obviously) well, but what about those
people who had waited a long time and had to wait even more because
you're friend knew someone who (I suspect) was corrupt (trespassing the
hospital rules, I assume). Even though it might be hard to live in Hungary
(which I assume it according to how you wrote that you're paying so much
for almost nothing in return), I don't reckon it's justified to share the
resources unevenally because someone has friends or more money than
others.

That's my $0.02.

EDIT: Some of my words weren't used correctly, so I apologie if I
offended you or someone.


It's okay, I'm not offended, that's exactly my point, it's supposed to be even share now with the free health care, but if you have connections, you get first on the list. And I didn't mention that, but those who are waiting are supposed to pay too, that's how it works, it's just this free health care system that breeds corruption. I'd rather everyone had to pay equally than pay but not get equal treatment. If you aren't able to pay in the free system, you're not treated with care (in some cases you're not treated with care anyway).
 
If I'm understanding everything right; there's obviously something wrong
the way things are handled in Hungary. In Norway we have a similar system
where we have quite high taxes (highest in Europe I think) and use that
money to build a welfare system.

I'm not completely sure if necessary health care is treated for free, but I think
it is. If not; the price is much lower than it would be without the system we
have.

I dunno what else to say beside; vote for 'Yes' on option a. :)
 
Yeah, that's definitely true, it's basically wrong the way it is. You're lucky to be Norwegian (apart from the weather, hehh). If the health care stays as it is, a lot more money will have to be pumped into it to make things work better. But maybe you're right, I'll think about it.