70000 tons of metal 2012 cruise

[AeonicSlumber]

Fair enough, but if the offers and crowds were better they'd still be doing US tours. It's not as though they boycotted the country or anything which was my point.

 

[DuchessOfDork]

Therion!! I hope I can go, this year..

 

[J-Man]

Great stuff, I'm on board again for sure as soon as they'll take my money. I'd happily pay double the price of what I did last year. I think Nightwish and Alestorm will be on as well, don't know any other bands confirmed yet.

Very possible for Nightwish, but i kinda doubt it. Jan 21 in LA for that big show, then what to do for 4 days. But i guess it would be doable, but it would mean going back on the only show in the US until later in the summer.

 

[War Ensemble]

Very possible for Nightwish, but i kinda doubt it. Jan 21 in LA for that big show, then what to do for 4 days. But i guess it would be doable, but it would mean going back on the only show in the US until later in the summer.

The cruise leaves the afternoon of Monday Jan 23rd. They could easily fly from LA to Miami on Jan 22. They wouldn't technically be performing in the US. It would be in International waters.

 

[Jasonic]

Yeah, given that timeframe, I think it is extremely feasbile for Nightwish to do this.

 

[nomisofsiman]

But the last few tours they did, the money sucked and the conditions sucked. Thus, no more US shows.

I think the other major thing was that they didn't like bringing a smaller production to the US. I don't know what the stages are like on 70000 tons, but I'm guessing it's closer to what they're used to.

 

[J-Man]

The cruise leaves the afternoon of Monday Jan 23rd. They could easily fly from LA to Miami on Jan 22. They wouldn't technically be performing in the US. It would be in International waters.

Your so right. Let's hope it happens, no reason it can't well yea there is one reason.

 

[Megawozniak]

I don't get the whole "US shows" argument. It's not in the US.

The stages on the boat (the ones that Therion would play on, anyway) are sufficiently large to have somewhat of a setup. Not huge, but at a bare minimum the same size they had on the Live Gothic DVD.

 

[AeonicSlumber]

I think the other major thing was that they didn't like bringing a smaller production to the US.

Well yeah, but that's a function of the money sucking.

 

[spag]

Well yeah, but that's a function of the money sucking.

I remember reading an article at the time, and he had multiple reasons for saying no more US shows. While money might have been (and always is) a part of it, seemed like it was hassles, having stuff stolen, minimal stage show, etc. Plus, yeah, you have maybe 100 people show up for a gig and that is probably a downer too.

Hey, not complaining. More opportunities to see them the better.

 

[AeonicSlumber]

I remember reading an article at the time, and he had multiple reasons for saying no more US shows. While money might have been (and always is) a part of it, seemed like it was hassles, having stuff stolen, minimal stage show, etc. Plus, yeah, you have maybe 100 people show up for a gig and that is probably a downer too.

Hey, not complaining. More opportunities to see them the better.

You get your stuff stolen anywhere. There are spots in the UK and Germany that will almost guarantee theft on the road. Minimal stage show is also a direct function of not enough money. Again, not rocket science here. If the band is barely getting enough money per night to make the flights, visas, crew justifiable with a little net income at the end, there's no sense in doing the tour, let alone bringing an expensive production overseas. Why you're assuming this as though their minimal show and small crowds are a separate issue is beyond me. If the crowds were bigger, they'd get more money, which would yield a better show.

 

[AeonicSlumber]

I don't get the whole "US shows" argument. It's not in the US.

No it's not in the US, that's absolutely right. The promoter of the event is Canadian and alot of the turnout is European. I think I read over half of the attendees were German.

 

[Megawozniak]

Almost 20% Australians as well. Germans, Canadians, and Australians. Says a bit about the state of the US metal scene

 

[AeonicSlumber]

Almost 20% Australians as well. Germans, Canadians, and Australians. Says a bit about the state of the US metal scene

Well to be fair, it's a Canadian promoter who really advertised and marketed the fest to international audiences. The PR company he hired is the same one that does PR for Wacken and alot of the German fests. It was never meant to be a US festival. It just boards Florida because Florida is gorgeous in the winter and they call Winnipeg Winterpeg for a reason. haha

 

[Megawozniak]

Yeah, we got snow this week and I have to wear a jacket in the morning still.

 

[Pellaz]

I'm tentatively making plans to attend this, and hope to find someone to share a stateroom with. After the qualified success of their first cruise, I expect this one will do quite well indeed.

 

[J-Man]

I'm tentatively making plans to attend this, and hope to find someone to share a stateroom with. After the qualified success of their first cruise, I expect this one will do quite well indeed.

I might go also, if the Finnish guys get on the bill, and also the Brazilian guys

 

[SkiBumMSP]

I'd love to go on this myself, but I am already going to Aspen/Snowmass and those are going to overlap.

 

[Pellaz]

Winter Is Coming.

The snow will be there for a while, but this cruise won't be.

 

[Megawozniak]

Looks like anyone who isn't a returning customer is SOL for cheaper cabins. Public sales aren't even on the horizon, they have a huge backlog and the cheap cabins are sold out.