Have you heard it? I doubt it. It's an awesome album, it just sounds nothing like a KISS record. KISS haters can flame the shit out of them all they want, but you can't really put something down with no knowledge of it. I know KISS are massive cunts, but they've made some good music, and IMO "The Elder" musically showcases what talents they have at arrangement and songwriting, even if it is pretentious, OTT, and bloated. But hey, at least they're not Emerson, Lake, & Palmer or Jethro Tull.