American Football = Rugby with Padding, Helmets, and Time Outs for the Obese

[Dick Sirloin]

dorian -- stop being so fucking antagonistic. This thread exists so that those of you not interested in the world cup can leave that thread well alone and live here happily ever after. That's the reason for this thread, it's not like I just made it for no reason you twat.

True that.

 

[JayKeeley]

man you really hate american football

Actually I don't!

I'm just being naturally defensive. [/greencardholder]

 

[Conspicuously Absent]

i don't care either way, i was just being a dink. I still think football (along with basketball and baseball) are immensly boring to watch on TV, at least football is fun to play.... without the pads (partially cause i'm poor and can't afford them), plus the danger element forces smarter play... especially when you are playing with a handful of the 6 foot tall 300lb beasts.

 

[Dick Sirloin]

True that.

I have webbed feet.

 

[Mormagil]

i have nothing against playing football with friends at a barbecue or whatever, but high school football and everything surrounding it makes me sympathize with messrs. harris and klebold

 

[General Zod]

There is NOTHING you can do to defend the concept of padding, helmets...

Nothing? It's the padding and the helmets that have created such a violent game. The padding and helmets give players a false sense of invincibility, that it turn, leads to much more violent collisions. Anyone who has played football with pads and without pads, will tell you playing with pads is far more dangerous.

...and time outs.

If you want to argue that rugby and European soccer players have better aerobic conditioning, on average, I'll buy that.

You're telling me that NFL players are in more danger of getting hurt than Rugby players?? Don't make me laugh.

Pick up a paper one Tuesday morning and look at the quantity and the type of injuries listed in the injury report.

It's easy to make fun of the offensive linemen, because of their ridiculous size. The skill position players, on the other hand, are far, far more impressive physical specimens than soccer and/or rugby players. And most of the collisions are amongst these elite athletes. By and large, it's 260 pound linebackers hitting 220 pound running backs, while moving at ridiculous speeds. Take for instance the kid my Chargers drafted last year, Shawne Merriman. He's 6' 4, 253, squats 590 pounds, and runs a 40 yard dash in 4.6 seconds. Now, put a peice of steel on his head, give him a running start, and allow him to intentionally drive his helmet into your abdomen.

Claiming rugby is more violent than the NFL, is the musical equivalent of claiming Avenged Sevenfold is more Metal than Slayer.

Zod

 

[Conspicuously Absent]

well, without arguing anything here.

My buddy's last rugby game. I met the big guy the night before at the rugby party. He's 6'8, and was using Moose (not our moose) to practice something like a bench press but standing and over your head. M00se is 230lbs. He did this for about 35 minutes straight to win a bet. I don't know what ungodly weight he was, I was afraid to ask. Now, I watched him speed into my best buddy kevin, who is 5'9, 179 pounds. Head first. To the stomach. Lift, Toss and Kevin's airborne. Landed face first.

No helmets. No pads. He was out of it for about 20 mins.

Addendum:
now, i'm not saying the pro football players are nancies. But sure, they're big and fast. So are rugby players. There is the odd monstrous beast like linebackers. Some teams have several.

As for the whole, piece of steel helmet... you forget the purpose of the chest pad. Sure, you'd get the wind knocked out of you. But I have one for mountain biking, bombing down a mountain at over 50km/h (at least) and then being launched into a tree/rock or other solid object. The chest protector, consisting of kevlar, padding and a hard plastic shell, prevents most of the pain and damage.

anyway, whatever. In the end. They're both dangerous and crazy. One happens to be fast paced, non-stop and affordable. The other requires a several hundred dollar investment and is stop and go and tbh, not all that exciting to most people outside of the states.

 

[KILL TULLY]

As for the whole, piece of steel helmet... you forget the purpose of the chest pad. Sure, you'd get the wind knocked out of you. But I have one for mountain biking, bombing down a mountain at over 50km/h (at least) and then being launched into a tree/rock or other solid object. The chest protector, consisting of kevlar, padding and a hard plastic shell, prevents most of the pain and damage.

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say you've never played a full-contact real game of football wearing pads and all?

I'm gonna guess you've seen pictures of football hits where helmets fly off. That takes so-fucking-much force its ridiculous.

Another thing, the rules of rugby are designed so that many normal 'football tackles' are illegal.

 

[lurch70]

ITT Zod defends Slayer

 

[Krilons Resa]

Claiming rugby is more violent than the NFL, is the musical equivalent of claiming Avenged Sevenfold is more Metal than Slayer.

Zod

 

[Krilons Resa]

ITT Zod defends Slayer

I have a lot to say 'cuz football is engrained in my soul's fabric, but Im fucking lazy as shit after applying to 34978565 jobs today and after my 4th brew-ha-ha.

 

[General Zod]

ITT Zod defends Slayer

Yeah... well, I needed to make a point. And I've never claimed Slayer aint pure Metal, just that I don't like them.

Zod

 

[JayKeeley]

All that aside, the fact is, Rugby has no padding, no helmets, and no time outs. It's also truly international and maintains a high level of integrity (not relying on steroids and hormone injected food additives etc).

But look, the physicallity of it all doesn't really pertain to the underlying theme here does it? What we're basically talking about is a closed off community only playing sports that nobody else gives a toss about.

The world is a stage, and the Americans are on the outside looking in, just like everything else in life.

How sad that the US teams playing internationally get more support from non-Americans. No wonder they don't play for the pride of a nation, when there's no nation behind them.

It's all quite sad isn't it? Whether it's world policing or sporting communities, yet again we see a country on the outside looking in (dressed in padding and spandex).

 

[KILL TULLY]

The United States is MEGAFUCKINGHUGE, thats the difference.

 

[JayKeeley]

Weak.

 

[KILL TULLY]

Well its true.

JEE-WILIKERS how ever could one of these two geographic locations have developed a more active international competative sports circuit?!1?!1oen

 

[Krilons Resa]

All that aside, the fact is, Rugby has no padding, no helmets, and no time outs. It's also truly international and maintains a high level of integrity (not relying on steroids and hormone injected food additives etc).

But look, the physicallity of it all doesn't really pertain to the underlying theme here does it? What we're basically talking about is a closed off community only playing sports that nobody else gives a toss about.

The world is a stage, and the Americans are on the outside looking in, just like everything else in life.

How sad that the US teams playing internationally get more support from non-Americans. No wonder they don't play for the pride of a nation, when there's no nation behind them.

It's all quite sad isn't it? Whether it's world policing or sporting communities, yet again we see a country on the outside looking in (dressed in padding and spandex).

You're talking out of your ass man. :zombie:

Also, hormone injected food addditives....that has nothing to d owith actual use of steroids, which is comonplace amongst the world not just USA, but has to do with creating more meat = more $.

 

[Krilons Resa]

man, Russia is fucking IMMENSE.

 

[General Zod]

He's 6'8, and was using Moose (not our moose) to practice something like a bench press but standing and over your head. M00se is 230lbs. He did this for about 35 minutes straight to win a bet.

Are you telling me that one of your buddies did a standing military press, for 35 minutes straight, with 230 pounds? And not even 230 pounds on a bar, but a 230 pound person (which is vastly more difficult to lift)? If so, he shattered the world record.

http://www.maxperformance.com/pops/press/press_3.html

Zod

 

[JayKeeley]

@Tully -- you're actually saying that the USA is too big to have international teams? Come on, what about Russia, Canada, Australia, India, China...I'm not buying that for a second. And in any case, the US has a INTERNATIONAL soccer team, one that has even qualified for the world cup!!! -- it's just that nobody in the US actually gives a shit, so the team plays in complete gutless fashion.

Also, hormone injected food addditives....that has nothing to d owith actual use of steroids, which is comonplace amongst the world not just USA, but has to do with creating more meat = more $.

Yeah, I listed steroids and hormone injected foods as two different items. One explains the recognized cheating that takes place in US sports, and the other explains the obescity levels. Essentially you're talking about fat black sumo wrestlers running around with helmets on, wired to the nth degree.