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General Zod said:
It has nothing to to with "good enough". America's best athletes don't play soccer. I have no doubt, that if soccer was our national pasttime, we'd be one of the dominant forces in the World Cup.

It's entirely possible, yes. That said, there is so much finesse to "soccer" that it's almost become a genetic advantage for Brazil to be able to play so much better than the rest of the world, no matter how hard anyone tries to play catch up.

If we're talking sports alone, we have joined. I think everyone agrees America's soccer team has been improving over the years.

No doubt. In 1998, I had to rely on watching 15 minute highlights each night on ESPN2 at 1am. Now, EVERY game is airing live -- quite a leap forward. Likewise, the US did well in the last world cup, it's just that no American realizes that, which is a shame for the team at least. They came back as the unsung heroes.

That said, I'm still curious to understand (because apparently, I still don't), what, in your eyes, this "effort" would consist of?

Zod, I don't know how else to explain it. Maybe nobody else is following either? :erk: Anyone care to help me out here?

I suppose I'm talking about bridging the obvious divide that exists between the USA and the rest of the world. I'm not talking about the Starbucks franchise, or watching Jerry Springer at 3pm in Finland -- more about changing the "image" of the USA, as being one that wants to be a part of the international community.

Let me tell you a quick story, this is completely true.

During World War I, the British and Germans were attacking each other from their respective trenches. This fighting would go on day and night forever and a day. (As you know, millions died in WWI). Anyway, one night, on xmas day, the fighting stopped. Both sides emerged from their trenches and played "soccer". It was just that one moment where the fighting came to a stop.

You see, the national pride that supports the sport can both stop and start wars. It has nothing to do with tv commercials, endorsements, Barry Bonds sucking down juice, "this quarter has been brought to you by....", etc etc. It's just about the pride of nations and the coming together of empires.

I'm not saying it's the solution to world peace, but it's at least a step in the right direction. (And nobody is suggesting that the US stops playing it's own homegrown sports).

OK look, I have to bow out of this thread/forum for a while because I'm preparing for the England game...I took the day off work!! :loco:
 
Is it possible for some of you guys to stop cracking on America? Most of you live in countries that are the size of Ohio. You don't do shit. Most of you aren't speaking German because we gave the Nazis a fucking beatdown a mere 60 years ago. Please just chill with the anti-Americanism.

As for sports, look, the vast majority of you guys sit in front of a computer ALL FUCKING DAY, including Mr. JayKeeley. Your opinion on various physical activities don't amount to shit.
 
Dorian, who pissed in your cornflakes lately :lol:

I'll proudly admit I am no kind of athlete. Thank god my proudest moments have not involved something I did in high school.

One part of this culture that IS fucked up is the elevation of high school athletes over scholars as some kind of role model. Whoever mentioned the dylan and klebold thing is half right, shit is fucked up.
 
dorian gray said:
Most of you live in countries that are the size of Ohio. You don't do shit. Most of you aren't speaking German because we gave the Nazis a fucking beatdown a mere 60 years ago.

Haha, yeah, that's EXACTLY what I've been talking about.

As for sports, look, the vast majority of you guys sit in front of a computer ALL FUCKING DAY, including Mr. JayKeeley. Your opinion on various physical activities don't amount to shit.

Hey I'm just a spectator watching from work, sitting on my forum. Anytime you want to fuck right off, feel free. Maybe you can join another war that's about to come to an end in 5 minutes and try to claim all the glory. :loco:
 
dorian gray said:
Is it possible for some of you guys to stop cracking on America? Most of you live in countries that are the size of Ohio. You don't do shit. Most of you aren't speaking German because we gave the Nazis a fucking beatdown a mere 60 years ago. Please just chill with the anti-Americanism.

I live in a country that's about 8 times the size of Texas. Does my vote count?
 
I think the World Cup is stirring up the English pride in JK, hence his sudden backlash against the country he's been living in for X amount of years!
 
Speaking of rugby, or AFL, or whatever the fuck it is... the State of Origin was on last night, Queensland vs. New South Wales (as it's always been). From 7pm onwards, my entire town was deserted apart from the pubs. I'm quite certain it was like that across the country.

I fucking HATE sport.
 
JayKeeley said:
It's entirely possible, yes. That said, there is so much finesse to "soccer" that it's almost become a genetic advantage for Brazil to be able to play so much better than the rest of the world, no matter how hard anyone tries to play catch up.
Just because American sports often call for brute force, doesn't mean finesse isn't part of those same games. Watch Barry Sanders or LaDanian Tomlinson run a football, watch Steve Nash drive a basketball, watch Mike Modano skate with a puck. Finesse baby.

JayKeeley said:
I suppose I'm talking about bridging the obvious divide that exists between the USA and the rest of the world. I'm not talking about the Starbucks franchise, or watching Jerry Springer at 3pm in Finland -- more about changing the "image" of the USA, as being one that wants to be a part of the international community.
The gap between the USA and the rest of the world exists for many reason, many of which are not our fault (plenty of which are). I imagine it exists in part, because Europeans often choose to define Americans by McDonalds and Baywatch, because it makes them feel better about themselves and their nation.

JayKeeley said:
Zod, I don't know how else to explain it. Maybe nobody else is following either? Anyone care to help me out here?
Hopefully someone can, because clearly we have a failure to communicate.

JayKeeley said:
You see, the national pride that supports the sport can both stop and start wars.
To be fair, it wasn't a soccer truce, it was a Christmas truce. It began (as I'm sure you're aware) when the Germans began singing Christmas songs on Christmas eve.

JayKeeley said:
I'm not saying it's the solution to world peace, but it's at least a step in the right direction. (And nobody is suggesting that the US stops playing it's own homegrown sports).
So let me play this scenario out:

1. American's embrace soccer
2. Soccer becomes America's favorite sport
3. All young American kids want to be like Pele (not Mike)
4. Americans travel in large numbers to some European city to watch the World Cup and root on our team
5. We drink heavily (a soccer tradition), wave our American flag, and cheer our boys on to victory
6. We beat you at your own game
7. We show up after the finals in your bars, restaurants and streets, swelling with the nationalistic pride you spoke of earlier

You think, if this happened, the world would like us more?

Zod
 
Damn JK, what happened, did a bunch of Americans trash your Una Peseta store or smth? :loco:

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one of my favorite sports columnists, the always acerbic Jay Mariotti. He makes an excellent point about the hype.


Are you ready for some futbol? Not anymore

June 15, 2006

BY JAY MARIOTTI SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

We can't even agree on the name. What the rest of the world calls football, we call soccer, simply because we already have our football and it reflects America's desired macho profile of bleeding, crippling physicality. Our soccer is a fringe sport of moms, kids and diehards, contrary to their football, a life-and-death psychosis that can breed hooliganism, suicide and occasional murder if a player heads a ball into his own net.

They don't relate to us, we don't relate to them. They are on Mars, we are on Pluto. When Bono narrates those cool World Cup promos with accompanying U2 music, we see kids kicking balls and wonder why they aren't throwing or shooting balls. Clearly, the world cares and we don't, for reasons more political and generational than we'll ever grasp. The only time your typical "SportsCenter'' guy has talked soccer is when Brandi Chastain ripped off her shirt, introducing the wonders of the sports bra to the male consciousness. To this day, our biggest and best kid athletes play football and kids too small generally play soccer, which could be a metaphor for American life.

So why even try to be part of the global football culture? Why force-feed ourselves into an elite party when we don't have the pedigree or the passion, when we fail to get a buzz over teams squeezing maybe a minute or two of cumulative excitement out of a 90-minute match? This sports nation in 2006 is about football's speed and hard knocks, basketball's speed and creativity, NASCAR's speed and crashes. If we want to hang out, ponder strategy, drink beer and watch life go by, we attend baseball games and cheer home runs, 1-2-3 innings and catcher-to-catcher knuckle sandwiches.

Soccer? On the food chain, it ranks somewhere above lacrosse and below Sudoku.

Our national kickball community, as one radio host dubs it, tried to market the game this month with an unprecedented blitz. It coincided with America's supposed inroads on the international scene, fueled by a shocking quarterfinal appearance in the World Cup four summers ago -- do you even remember that happening? -- and a blurry No. 5 ranking by the sport's governing body, FIFA. "A sleeping giant,'' U.S. coach Bruce Arena called his team, considered our most talented ever. The hype heading into a new World Cup, in Germany, was suffocating.

Confusing futbol with football, apparently, ESPN decided to lather the event like the NFL playoffs, complete with studio shows breaking down the daily action. Nike erected huge billboards in New York and other cities with a bold-faced warning -- "BEWARE'' -- which instinctively makes you look skyward in Manhattan for King Kong or aircraft until you see the images of four U.S. soccer players, two of whom I'm vaguely familiar with. Sports Illustrated placed players on its sacred cover and referred to them by first names and nicknames -- Beaz, Landon, Gooch and Bobby -- a quartet that could have been a boy band for all anyone knew. Corporate America was rallying around a cause, always suspicious and scary.

All the fuss, for that?

We were told to wave our flags, flaunt our patriotism and bask in an American soccer renaissance. The Fourth of July was coming, and by golly, our boys were going to race through the first round and force a defining showdown against those grand Brazilians, whose players go by solo names -- Ronaldhino, Ronaldo, Adriano and, of course, Kaka. Before the first game, President Bush called the boys with an inspirational message. On a June Monday in the USA, people actually took longer lunch breaks to see what all the fuss was about, with 2.14 million households tuning in compared with 998,000 for a similar interval in 2002. Here we go, laddies, here we go. The Americans were going to silence the Czech Republic and prove their transcendent point. Did somebody actually suggest soccer as our new national pastime as the game started?

Whoever did was sadly mistaken.

National waste-of-time, I'd say.

The great soccer salesmanship job turned out to be a scam. Those world rankings must have been compiled by Fifi, as in someone's dog, because Team USA entered the stadium in Gelsenkirchen and laid one of the all-time stinker eggs in World Cup annals. If the Americans looked scared, disorganized, confused, passive and out of their league, that's because they would say all those things themselves after a 3-0 loss, keeping in mind that 3-0 in this sport is akin to 49-0 in the NFL.

What bothered me most was finger-pointing by Arena, which surely is perceived and ridiculed as ugly Americanism by a world hardly enamored of the U.S. these days. The coach is responsible for a team's psyche and preparation, especially in an event that comes every four years. But Arena showed the body language of a man so disgusted by the performance that he wished to separate himself from these inferior slugs beneath him. When he wasn't shaking his head and looking at the sky, he'd stare at his players with his hands behind his head. With two games remaining, that is no way to inspire the troops, no matter how poorly they played. If Arena thinks he's a tough guy, I'm here to tell him he's no Bill Parcells in the cred department.

Arena's shots off the mark

He called out forward Landon Donovan, midfielder DaMarcus Beasley, goalie Kasey Keller and others. And while nobody was disputing that everyone played terribly, it's revealing that some players are questioning Arena's strategy. Beasley, who needed to be aggressive offensively with a big deficit, wondered why he was placed at right back in the second half. "I was back there defending the whole time,'' he said. "I don't know what he wants me to do.''

At a Wednesday press gathering in Hamburg, midfielder Bobby Convey said some of the players didn't understand their roles. Whose fault is that? And why did Arena wait so long in Germany before announcing his starting lineup?

Arena has continued to rip away anyway. Of Beasley, he said, "If he's any kind of a player and a man, he understands. If he doesn't, then he's not going to be able to help us in Games 2 or 3, either.''

"The reason we didn't do well is because everyone did not do their role, maybe didn't know their role and maybe didn't know what to do,'' Convey said.

Is it possible this team was so absurdly overhyped that expectations rose beyond reality? Because barring a Saturday miracle against Italy, which never has lost to Team USA, you can say arrivederci to the stateside soccer dream. Why would anyone with a clue think the Americans were ready to break through? Their World Cup record at European venues is 3-10-1, and against European competition, they're 0-8 and have been outscored 23-4. "It can be done,'' Arena said.

I don't share his belated optimism. America wasn't ready for the elite world stage and probably never will be, at least in our lifetimes.

It would be wrong to suggest no one in this land cares about the World Cup. In ethnically rich cities such as Chicago, interest is huge in neighborhoods and bars. But the people who drive this U.S. sports engine needed a specific reason to care.

That reason disappeared Monday. Wake me up in four years.

On second thought, don't.