Attn People That Hate Smallville

[Ghost of Red Dragon]

From what I remember in the Clone Saga, Ben Reily was actually the real Spider-Man and it turns out Peter is actually a clone.

but nobody knew it untill AFTER Ben Riley died

 

[Ghost of Red Dragon]

i don't even know how the fuck he got the adamantium back after bone claws.

i don't know that either because i never read the wolverine comic they made after he left the X-men

 

[mReEtTaIlRsEkD]

i remember the Earthquake and the no man's land (did the city just rebuild itself or what?) and who the fucking hell was batgirl in the scene where batgirl and Barbera Gordon are looking at each other?

toward the end lex funded its rebuild plans and he had intended to take gotham over. bruce did something to stop that.

i know that the mother of bruce wayne's kid is talia daughter of Ra's Al Goul, what i was saying that maybe, they should have made the mother of bruce wayne's kid a random woman, instead of the kid's existence being a throwback to the story arc where the existance of Batman is supposedly prophesised in some ancient text

prophecy? not sure about that...

they're not on the 3rd Flash, this one's the 4th

ah fuck jay garrick.

when i said the jla was hard to follow, i meant that almost every single fucking hero character in DC was in jla in the early 80s, that was stupid, that would be like every single hero character in the Marvel world being in the Avengers

that's not a valid complaint since the jla has been a solid team for decades almost. granted, all the big guns have been on it. but you have to understand that DC aims for quality opposed to quantity like marvel. not meaning to rag on marvel here, but they have endless hordes of heroes and villains. it's wild! also, x-men cover a city. the JLA are meant to band together for larger than life conflicts. that's the real point. it's not just a superhero team. batman manages gotham so he doesn't sit around in the satellite waiting for shit to go down. he helps when he can. same with the rest.

spiderman's been around non-stop since 63, X-men has been kinda "on and off" but definately much more consistantly present than Avengers

avengers has been fairly constant. just not sure if they were popular. after x-men debuted, there was this period where fucking beast was in the avengers. marvel is really slutty in their universe and throw everything everywhere. and dude, x-men had ONE writer for like fifteen years. not really on and off.

the "alternate universes" are an expansion on a concept originally apearing in Superman (universe where everyone knows that Superman is Clark Kent, universe where Superman doesn't exist because he's afraid of getting killed and discected by scientists, universe where evil SUperman is a total tyrant and Lex Luthor is the Mayor of Metropolis)

dc recognized all this and went about fixing it with crisis on infinite earths.
the only times they play with other universes are in one shots, or big arcs. but it's almost always isolated. they never create like ten different fucking miniseries for every hero in their arsenal. THAT's fucking dumb. AND confusing. they just know issues labelled #1 sell.

Daredevil has always been Mathew Micheal Murdoch (in so far as i can remember)

maybe i'm mistaken, but i could swear someone recently replaced matt.

Peter Benjamin Parker is Spiderman, Ben Riley had Spiderman's powers because he was a clone of peter parker (the way that Gambit was a clone of Cyclops) the webbing is synthetic (in the main marvel continuity) so yes it's feasible that he could have made a webbing that coulf have lasted more than a decade. the death and rebirth of spiderman was explained as his esscence (and a little bit of flesh) crawling out of his body the way that some spider's "shed their skin" the death and rebirth made sense when i read it.

oh, it makes sense if you read it. sure. but look at that mess of continuity. (and come on, synthetic? it was a heinous oversight. and making the symbiote into a costume? fuck that. he should have rebonded with the symbiote. another gay sales ploy)

the X-men being complicated is a legitamite complaint
the X-men is more complicated that the rest of the marvel universe put together

here's the thing, though. marvel changed everything so their universe was more coherent. mutants became prevalent. if you have powers, odds are you're a mutant. i think spidey is considered one now. it's fine, actually. but then they just started throwing heroes and villains everywhere. civil war was decent, but I didn't know a great deal of the cast. it's crazy!

and come on. house of M? they just kept writing shit until they literally ran out and then just retconned it all. ridiculous.

 

[Ghost of Red Dragon]

toward the end lex funded its rebuild plans and he had intended to take gotham over. bruce did something to stop that.

okay, so why did the money to re-build Gotham come from Lex Luthor instead of Bruce Wayne or Oliver Queen? i really don't remember any explination for that

prophecy? not sure about that...

i remember a story arc where the existance of Batman appears in some sort of prophetic text where Bruce Wayne being Batman was Bruce's destiny, suposedly explaining why Bruce chose to fight crime in a mask instead of becoming a cop

ah fuck jay garrick.

jay garrick was the very 1st Flash, if i'm not mistaken

that's not a valid complaint since the jla has been a solid team for decades almost. granted, all the big guns have been on it. but you have to understand that DC aims for quality opposed to quantity like marvel. not meaning to rag on marvel here, but they have endless hordes of heroes and villains. it's wild! also, x-men cover a city. the JLA are meant to band together for larger than life conflicts. that's the real point. it's not just a superhero team. batman manages gotham so he doesn't sit around in the satellite waiting for shit to go down. he helps when he can. same with the rest.

i think the endlessness of the number of superpowered people is partially what some of the people like about marvel, each character is unique enough with a large enough number of super-powered heros/villians to satisfy any posible potential reader

avengers has been fairly constant. just not sure if they were popular. after x-men debuted, there was this period where fucking beast was in the avengers. marvel is really slutty in their universe and throw everything everywhere. and dude, x-men had ONE writer for like fifteen years. not really on and off.

yeah, avengers might have been pretty constant, but most of the time X-men is a much better-selling title, partially because the X-men were born with their powers, as opposed to the "origin stories" of the Avengers, and also partially because so many people understood the social commentary of the mutants being representative of black people, like in the third x-men movie, Magneto trying to have the mutants rule over the humans was representative of how Malcolm-x tried to have the black people rule over the white people, the only difference between Magneto and Malcolm-X was that Magneto's goal was feasable, and most X-men fans would tell you that the social commentary on racial problems in the X-men is a better social comentary than anything that DC has ever done

dc recognized all this and went about fixing it with crisis on infinite earths.
the only times they play with other universes are in one shots, or big arcs. but it's almost always isolated. they never create like ten different fucking miniseries for every hero in their arsenal. THAT's fucking dumb. AND confusing. they just know issues labelled #1 sell.

the earliest apearance of multiple realities in the superhero genre originally apeared in the Superman title, and at that time, Superman was DC's best selling title, so Marvel's original idea to make alternate realities was just copying something that appeared in Marvel's main competition's best selling title, a lazy attempt to boost sales, Marvel's alternate realities have become more prominent, prevalent, and extensive in both number and complexity, but if you're gonna say that the alterante reality concept shouldn't be used in the superhero genre, then i got to point out, DC did it first (sci-fi books, the Twilight Zone, and the black-and-white Outer Limits all did it a whole decade before Kirk's Star Trek did it BTW)

maybe i'm mistaken, but i could swear someone recently replaced matt.

you may be right, i haven't read the Daredevil title since the begining of the Civil War

oh, it makes sense if you read it. sure. but look at that mess of continuity. (and come on, synthetic? it was a heinous oversight. and making the symbiote into a costume? fuck that. he should have rebonded with the symbiote. another gay sales ploy)

Spiderman's webbing being senthetic was supposed to show the spider that bit Parker mystically magically giving him the knowledge of how to make synthetic webbing, the "web-shooters" being man-made by Parker was supposed to show character depth, implying that out of all the people in the room when he was bitten, Peter was smarter than them, ie smart enough to figure out how to make artificial web shooters, but you're right, though, the webbing coming out of Peter Parker's wrists as part of his superpowers like in the movies makes more sense, and i don't think the black costume is really the sybiote, i think it's just a cloth costume made to look like the symbiote, spiderman changed his costume several times BEFORE spiderman's "identity crisis" story-arc, and also, in a convo just before civil war started, it is explained that spiderman kept all of the different costumes that he used durring the "identity crisis" story-arc

here's the thing, though. marvel changed everything so their universe was more coherent. mutants became prevalent. if you have powers, odds are you're a mutant. i think spidey is considered one now. it's fine, actually. but then they just started throwing heroes and villains everywhere. civil war was decent, but I didn't know a great deal of the cast. it's crazy!

in the spiderman title Peter's younger sister fights Spiderman as a mutant that makes small person-sized wormholes (to travel instantaniously from one place to another) it's explained that mutants usualy have their powers appear for the first time in response to either extreme stress, or (in Rogue's case) intense sexual tension, and it's explained that Peter himself is a mutant just like his sister, and that the venom from the spider's bite triggered Peter's mutant powers to kick-in a little earlier than they would have otherwise, then the whole Madame Webb thing is explained by saying that the venom from the spider that bit Peter would have been lethal to a non-mutant and that Madame Webb (psychic) made the spider bite Peter for the specific purpose of making Peter's mutant powers kick-in early

and come on. house of M? they just kept writing shit until they literally ran out and then just retconned it all. ridiculous.

yes, the House of M really was ridiculous, but i got to point out that House of M was much more ridiculous than any of the other titles Marvel does

 

[Netherworld]

Comics are superheroes are for chidren.

 

[Ghost of Red Dragon]

toward the end lex funded its rebuild plans and he had intended to take gotham over. bruce did something to stop that.

prophecy? not sure about that...



ah fuck jay garrick.

jay garrick was the very 1st Flash, if i'm not mistaken

that's not a valid complaint since the jla has been a solid team for decades almost. granted, all the big guns have been on it. but you have to understand that DC aims for quality opposed to quantity like marvel. not meaning to rag on marvel here, but they have endless hordes of heroes and villains. it's wild! also, x-men cover a city. the JLA are meant to band together for larger than life conflicts. that's the real point. it's not just a superhero team. batman manages gotham so he doesn't sit around in the satellite waiting for shit to go down. he helps when he can. same with the rest.



avengers has been fairly constant. just not sure if they were popular. after x-men debuted, there was this period where fucking beast was in the avengers. marvel is really slutty in their universe and throw everything everywhere. and dude, x-men had ONE writer for like fifteen years. not really on and off.



dc recognized all this and went about fixing it with crisis on infinite earths.
the only times they play with other universes are in one shots, or big arcs. but it's almost always isolated. they never create like ten different fucking miniseries for every hero in their arsenal. THAT's fucking dumb. AND confusing. they just know issues labelled #1 sell.



maybe i'm mistaken, but i could swear someone recently replaced matt.



oh, it makes sense if you read it. sure. but look at that mess of continuity. (and come on, synthetic? it was a heinous oversight. and making the symbiote into a costume? fuck that. he should have rebonded with the symbiote. another gay sales ploy)



here's the thing, though. marvel changed everything so their universe was more coherent. mutants became prevalent. if you have powers, odds are you're a mutant. i think spidey is considered one now. it's fine, actually. but then they just started throwing heroes and villains everywhere. civil war was decent, but I didn't know a great deal of the cast. it's crazy!



and come on. house of M? they just kept writing shit until they literally ran out and then just retconned it all. ridiculous.

okay, so why did the money to re-build Gotham come from Lex Luthor instead of Bruce Wayne or Oliver Queen? i really don't remember any explination for that

i remember a story arc where the existance of Batman appears in some sort of prophetic text where Bruce Wayne being Batman was Bruce's destiny, suposedly explaining why Bruce chose to fight crime in a mask instead of becoming a cop

i think the endlessness of the number of superpowered people is partially what some of the people like about marvel, each character is unique enough with a large enough number of super-powered heros/villians to satisfy any posible potential reader
yeah, avengers might have been pretty constant, but most of the time X-men is a much better-selling title, partially because the X-men were born with their powers, as opposed to the "origin stories" of the Avengers, and also partially because so many people understood the social commentary of the mutants being representative of black people, like in the third x-men movie, Magneto trying to have the mutants rule over the humans was representative of how Malcolm-x tried to have the black people rule over the white people, the only difference between Magneto and Malcolm-X was that Magneto's goal was feasable, and most X-men fans would tell you that the social commentary on racial problems in the X-men is a better social comentary than anything that DC has ever done

the earliest apearance of multiple realities in the superhero genre originally apeared in the Superman title, and at that time, Superman was DC's best selling title, so Marvel's original idea to make alternate realities was just copying something that appeared in Marvel's main competition's best selling title, a lazy attempt to boost sales, Marvel's alternate realities have become more prominent, prevalent, and extensive in both number and complexity, but if you're gonna say that the alterante reality concept shouldn't be used in the superhero genre, then i got to point out, DC did it first (sci-fi books, the Twilight Zone, and the black-and-white Outer Limits all did it a whole decade before Kirk's Star Trek did it BTW)

you may be right, i haven't read the Daredevil title since the begining of the Civil War



in the spiderman title Peter's younger sister fights Spiderman as a mutant that makes small person-sized wormholes (to travel instantaniously from one place to another) it's explained that mutants usualy have their powers appear for the first time in response to either extreme stress, or (in Rogue's case) intense sexual tension, and it's explained that Peter himself is a mutant just like his sister, and that the venom from the spider's bite triggered Peter's mutant powers to kick-in a little earlier than they would have otherwise, then the whole Madame Webb thing is explained by saying that the venom from the spider that bit Peter would have been lethal to a non-mutant and that Madame Webb (psychic) made the spider bite Peter for the specific purpose of making Peter's mutant powers kick-in early

Spiderman's webbing being senthetic was supposed to show the spider that bit Parker mystically magically giving him the knowledge of how to make synthetic webbing, the "web-shooters" being man-made by Parker was supposed to show character depth, implying that out of all the people in the room when he was bitten, Peter was smarter than them, ie smart enough to figure out how to make artificial web shooters, but you're right, though, the webbing coming out of Peter Parker's wrists as part of his superpowers like in the movies makes more sense, and i don't think the black costume is really the sybiote, i think it's just a cloth costume made to look like the symbiote, spiderman changed his costume several times BEFORE spiderman's "identity crisis" story-arc, and also, in a convo just before civil war started, it is explained that spiderman kept all of the different costumes that he used durring the "identity crisis" story-arc



yes, the House of M really was ridiculous, but i got to point out that House of M was much more ridiculous than any of the other titles Marvel does

 

[Netherworld]

Wow, you guys really do your homework on this crap...

 

[Ghost of Red Dragon]

Comics are superheroes are for chidren.

did you mean comics AND superheros are for children?
or were you refering to adult comix seperate from superheros?
superheros weren't originally made for children
the phantom, the shadow, the spirit and the Rocketteer were just ilustrated versions of "pulp" fiction, and "pulp" was never inteded for children to read

 

[Netherworld]

did you mean comics AND superheros are for children?
or were you refering to adult comix seperate from superheros?
superheros weren't originally made for children
the phantom, the shadow, the spirit and the Rocketteer were just ilustrated versions of "pulp" fiction, and "pulp" was never inteded for children to read

Yeah that's what I meant, damn typos.
I mean superheroes and comics like spiderman and batman and superman and all of that gay shit.

 

[Ghost of Red Dragon]

Yeah that's what I meant, damn typos.
I mean superheroes and comics like spiderman and batman and superman and all of that gay shit.

you ever read Preacher
some people would consider it a "superhero" comic, but it's definitively made for adults

 

[mReEtTaIlRsEkD]

i remember the first legends of the dark knight arc exploring batman having the spirit of the bat in him. i found it gay. as far as i know, these stories crop up from time to time because of a lazy faggot writer thinking they're all deep and shit.

btw, that knowledge of spiderman and madame webb. holy fucking christ i can't believe marvel fucked around THAT much. and i still think the idea of a black costume is dumb; the symbiote IS the costume. HAS TO BE. i'm tempted to hunt the issues down to check!

again, you can't penalize DC too much for the alt. universes. that was all fifties and sixities shit. balancing poor sales with crazy ideas and alternate characters. they made an attempt to correct it with the first crisis. again at zero hour and yet again at infinite crisis. they're at least trying. marvel is going in the other direction with more more more.


also, you're probably right about that social commentary thing. i know dc has gotten deep at times, but marvel scored big luck with x-men and the natural commentary that tails it.

also, the money issue is explained.

 

[Ghost of Red Dragon]

Yeah that's what I meant, damn typos.
I mean superheroes and comics like spiderman and batman and superman and all of that gay shit.

i did want as many people as possible to post on this thread
but i was looking for people to either agree with my stance that marvel is better than DC or agree with retarded penguin's stance that DC is better than Marvel

i think derick, derick, kriglock, and captain beard would make interesting posts if they were to post in this thread

 

[mReEtTaIlRsEkD]

explanation, quickie version:

earthquake hits
america questions abandoning it, making it a no man's land
bruce appeals, is rejected
falls to shambles, divided into gangs and is territorial
when batman returns he works to control the gangs and break factions down
slowly batman and the police get significant gain
lex, meanwhile, wants to look good so he gets lexcorp geared up for rebuilding it. there's a bunch of technical stuff. he works illegally.
keep in mind waynecorp is probably in shambles.
wayne exposes lex, but his gesture got america to reopen gotham's doors

 

[Netherworld]

i did want as many people as possible to post on this thread
but i was looking for people to either agree with my stance that marvel is better than DC or agree with retarded penguin's stance that DC is better than Marvel

i think derick, derick, kriglock, and captain beard would make interesting posts if they were to post in this thread

Fine, I was just leaving my thoughts. Carry on.

 

[mReEtTaIlRsEkD]

can you verify that spiderman shit for me?

 

[mReEtTaIlRsEkD]

Yeah that's what I meant, damn typos.
I mean superheroes and comics like spiderman and batman and superman and all of that gay shit.

movies are just as gay and childish. fuck sakes; i'd watch evil dead and return of the living dead or headhunter, then go upstairs to look at my batman comics when i was seven.

pull your dick out of your high horse, look deep into that anal cavity into that abyss you love so much and recognize people can't all be as boring and narrow minded as you

 

[mReEtTaIlRsEkD]

also, awesome work on the paragraphing. it was lovely!

 

[Beastkeeper]

Not his fault he doesn't like comics. Just opinion. You get butthurt fast take it easy.

 

[Netherworld]

movies are just as gay and childish. fuck sakes; i'd watch evil dead and return of the living dead or headhunter, then go upstairs to look at my batman comics when i was seven.

pull your dick out of your high horse, look deep into that anal cavity into that abyss you love so much and recognize people can't all be as boring and narrow minded as you

Not liking spiderman does not make one simple minded, only opinionated. And my opinion is that superheroes are stupid. I dislike superheroes because it's the same shit over and over... good guy defeats bad guy, good guy gets girl, bad guy comes back for revenge etc etc...

 

[mReEtTaIlRsEkD]

not sure about you, sir. but i was once a kid with this giant fucking imagination that would begin glowing and getting rock fucking hard when those saturday mornings kicked in or i hit the toy store.

then i got gay and left it all behind.

then i found...my TAAAAAAAAALISMAAAAAAAAAN

and got awesome and hetero.