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Axe-Fx II VS Axe-Fx Ultra
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JeffTD
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I think the difference in models is really throwing things off here; the Ultra sounds far better in these clips, but it also sounds like it was dialed in a lot better.
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JeffTD
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I don't think it's fair to compare exact settings on different amp models, just like it wouldn't be fair to compare exact settings on different amps in real life. Even the same amps, side-by-side, will sound slightly different. These clips don't prove much; if you in-person tweak things to sound their best and had clips of that, that'd be a fair comparison; this can't be counted as an Ultra vs. II comparison.
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JeffTD
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Again, you can't count this as a comparison between the two in any way, shape, or form. You can't a make a conclusion on how much better the modeling is if you're using models of different amps and you haven't sat and tweaked them yourself. I don't know what's so hard to understand about that - they're different products, regardless of the fact that it's the same company.
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Clark Kent said:
And you'd be a fool to do so.
In case you ever wondered why so many people give you a hard time, or post sarcastic replies in your threads, or are constantly questioning your methods, your opinions, your conclusions... it's not because we're the crazy ones. This comparison is absolute bullshit, and in no way should it be taken as anything other than nonsense. You absolutely failed to provide a worthwhile comparison. You did it wrong. Period.
What will you compare for us next? A Nike basketball shoe to an orange peel? Makes about as much sense as this bullshit.
The high gain clip of the Ultra is so much better, it's not even funny.
Interesting - One question though... You mention the impulse used is the same on both clips - How were these recorded? Did you guys just record the straight preamp tone and then load the impulse inside your DAW, or did you insert the same impulse into the patch on both units? The reason I ask is because the II uses a much higher resolution impulse, so if you're using the lower res one from your Ultra on the II, that could certainly make up for the lack of life in the clips. Upconverting a 1024 sample IR for the Ultra to a 2040 sample IR for the II is worthless, since it doesn't contain the necessary info to do so. Hopefully you used the original .wav impulse to create two separate IRs.
Interesting - One question though... You mention the impulse used is the same on both clips - How were these recorded? Did you guys just record the straight preamp tone and then load the impulse inside your DAW, or did you insert the same impulse into the patch on both units? The reason I ask is because the II uses a much higher resolution impulse, so if you're using the lower res one from your Ultra on the II, that could certainly make up for the lack of life in the clips. Upconverting a 1024 sample IR for the Ultra to a 2040 sample IR for the II is worthless, since it doesn't contain the necessary info to do so. Hopefully you used the original .wav impulse to create two separate IRs.
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Axe-FX:
RECTO ORANGE: Based on a the original Mesa Boogie 2-channel Dual Rectifier (OLD, SMALL LOGO) in the "Vintage" (Orange) channel (rhythm)
RECTO RED: Based on the Modern (Red) "Lead" channel, this is a high gain masterpiece with crushing power and tightness
Recto New: Based on the modern versions of the Dual Rectifier amps, Red channel. Circuit changes made this version more aggressive
Source: http://wiki.fractalaudio.com/index.php?title=List_of_amp_simulations
Axe-FX II:
Recto Orange / Red, Vintage / Modern (Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier): Based on late model of Mesa Boogie's Dual Rectifier, a high-gain masterpiece with crushing power and tighness. Orange and Red channels, Vintage and Modern modes.
Source: http://wiki.fractalaudio.com/axefx2...e_.2F_Modern_.28Mesa_Boogie_Dual_Rectifier.29
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JeffTD
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1. No, totally different issue and you're not even making sense bringing the RoS DI thread into play; they are not comparing amps to say that "x is better than y," they're saying "look what I did with these DIs and this backing." It's NOT an amp comparison thread.
2. No, because most of Ola's are just demonstrations and not "in this test which amp is better?" style examples.
3. You're just mad because the same 5 people call you out and you refuse to admit even a little bit of fault. We're not the problem here, and no, you don't contribute as much as you think.
4. The fact that the comparison isn't 1:1 is ALL that I was saying, and you shit all over me because of it. You admit it's not a 1:1 comparison yourself; you cannot say the Ultra is better than the II because it's not a 1:1 comparison.
The ONLY point I'm trying to make is that your conclusion that Ultra > II is totally unfounded and misguided based on this test. It's a flawed test and you would be willfully ignorant or seriously stupid to draw conclusions other than "these sound different" from it.
JeffTD
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Not to mention the ghetto reamping aspect of it? How are you expecting us to take this seriously? Different products tested with different settings under different conditions.
And I'm definitely not your homeboy.
And I'm definitely not your homeboy.
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