Basic Drum recording question

[DanLights]

I will do my first real drum recording in about a month or two, and right all I have (actually will have) is an sm57 and two CAD condenser mics. Of course I have an interface (Focusrite Saffire), pc, all the stuff. I don't have a decent room to record in but could pay some hours in a nicely treated rehearsal space and do the recording there (band will pay for it obviously). Obviously I'm going for the 2 OHs, one snare one kick kind of setup, very basic. The genre is supposedly Hard Rock/Rock & Roll but I haven't had the chance to hear the band yet.

So I'm guessing a kick mic first of all, what cheap one would you recommend me? Also, anything else I should need? I'm buying a lot of stuff both recording-wise and bass-wise so my budget's pretty much bleeding right now, I'm asking minimum stuff to make decent demo/Ep material.

 

[Zack Uidl]

if you would have to pay to use a different rehearsal space, why not just pay to track at a studio or with someone who has everything? that seems like it would make more sense to me

 

[DominikJW]

Yeah, but where is the experience gaining factor then? And the satisfaction of making it all by yourself?

 

[Loren Littlejohn]

if you would have to pay to use a different rehearsal space, why not just pay to track at a studio or with someone who has everything? that seems like it would make more sense to me

This.

 

[DanLights]

if you would have to pay to use a different rehearsal space, why not just pay to track at a studio or with someone who has everything? that seems like it would make more sense to me

well what utarefson said, plus, the one getting payed is supposed to be ME, not a guy who has a studio. I'm going to charge pretty cheap since it would be the first payed recording I would do and I'm short on equipment. These guys came to me cause I'm a friend and they don't have the cash to pay a proper fully equiped studio.

 

[Russtopher]

Google and check out both the "Recorderman" and "Glyn Johns" methods of recording with 3 or 4 mics. I find the GJ method gives a better stereo spread and better sounding toms, but def try them both. I recorded drums for a while with just a Firepod with 4 inputs so I got used to figuring out how to make the drums sound best with the least inputs LOL. Since it's rock music, you should be OK with the tone you get, you may want to copy the OH track and then manually pull out anything that's NOT a tom hit on the copied tracks, then EQ that to taste to get more oomph in your toms.

For kick, I've had decent results just using an SM58 that was lying around for a rock-ish kick tone. I also have a Shure PG52 that's decent enough for boomy rock kick sounds, but is worthless for anything where you need a clicky tone for metal. If worse comes to worse, replacing the kick shouldn't be that hard, or adding in a boomy kick sample underneath to reinforce the sound if you can only get a so-so mic on your budget.

 

[DanLights]

Google and check out both the "Recorderman" and "Glyn Johns" methods of recording with 3 or 4 mics. I find the GJ method gives a better stereo spread and better sounding toms, but def try them both. I recorded drums for a while with just a Firepod with 4 inputs so I got used to figuring out how to make the drums sound best with the least inputs LOL. Since it's rock music, you should be OK with the tone you get, you may want to copy the OH track and then manually pull out anything that's NOT a tom hit on the copied tracks, then EQ that to taste to get more oomph in your toms.

For kick, I've had decent results just using an SM58 that was lying around for a rock-ish kick tone. I also have a Shure PG52 that's decent enough for boomy rock kick sounds, but is worthless for anything where you need a clicky tone for metal. If worse comes to worse, replacing the kick shouldn't be that hard, or adding in a boomy kick sample underneath to reinforce the sound if you can only get a so-so mic on your budget.

will check both the techniques and mics out, thanks for the cool advice man