Hellion
All Life Ends
I think Benighted is beautiful in it's simplicity, and Mikael's clean vocals are the standout for that track. And it's not commercial in the slightest. Not that it would matter if it was.
Benighted
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EXACTLY.
Sadly, however, there are many closed-minded people who simply can not (or will not) grasp this simple fact.
YaYo
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Yeh yeh. Just thought id exaggerate a little
I think in their normal songs their chord choice is used very wisely and with variation to create lots of different feelings and whatever, i dont think their chord choice is as developed as in their heavier songs. Its very undeveloped, by their standards. Ah the 'close minded' argument.
I listen to a lot of verse/chorus music. I have nothing against listening to music because it is commercial/popular, providing i like it. But you see most of the bands i have that fit this category are good in other subtle ways. Opeth arent.
You see, a simple acoustic verse/chorus song is completely different than a 10 minute progressing constantly changing song. As such, they should be approached very differently, and the art is expressed in different ways. In their normal songs a lot of the emotion is created by the changing riffs... a heavy riff leading onto an acoustic riff for example. Its the riff changes that define the song in a way. In shorter acoustic songs this isnt the case, yet to me it seems like they arnet approaching the songs any differently, they arent adding anything else or writing riffs in different ways or whatever. The basic ingrediants of a good song are there, but completely undeveloped, and they have a lot to learn about how to take their acoustic songs to the same level as their normal songs.
IcemanJ256
Dark Overlord
I like Benighted, but I don't know if I like it as much as I did originally. I havent listened to still life in a while. I like harvest too.
Static
Manically depressed robot
I don't agree with you Yayo. Thats because they're acoustic songs are more a break or relaxing contrast with the other songs. I think that is their only purpose. As such, I don't think they need to be amazing and innovative. Personally, I find the nice little acoustic songs to be a good breather, and rarely skip them. Also, for gods sake, I can't picture a 14 min acoustic epic, because that would be stupid, as if they are simply trying to imitate the bigger songs with acoustic guitars. Your argument Yayo is interesting, but I completely disgree. I mean, if all that Opeth did was acoustic songs they would need to be something special, however, the complete simplicity and no-nonsense of their current acoustic songs are welcome change in style from the big epics. They are intended as simply conveying to the listener depth in emotion, and you say they are too simplistic, well rightfully so, they should be.
A point I made before that I feel is very valid.
A point I made before that I feel is very valid.
manuelgv
Back now...hopefully
YaYo
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Yeh what you say kind of goes with what im saying anyway. My whole point is that their acoustic songs and their normal songs are completely different and therefore should be approached that way. But as it is they simply use a subset of exactly the same techniques they use to write their normal songs, without approaching the songs in different ways (like recognising that repetition of riffs is more important in the acoustic songs). Of course thier acoustic songs are meant to be more simplistic in some ways, and overall the aims of the songs are more simplistic (more about exploring a single mood, rather than telling a story). But the songs are also simplistic in ways they shouldnt be.
Umm, what's wrong with Benighted? Granted, I like Harvest and Credence better, but it's still an awesome "mellow" track...
But then again, sometimes I play all the "heavy" tracks, skipping the mellow ones, and sometimes I play the disc I made up from all my Opeth CD's that only has all the "mellow" tracks... I guess it depends on mood.
But then again, sometimes I play all the "heavy" tracks, skipping the mellow ones, and sometimes I play the disc I made up from all my Opeth CD's that only has all the "mellow" tracks... I guess it depends on mood.
demon talented
enduring iconoclast
I think that the acoustic songs can give a different feel that can correspond to the lyrics. Opeth does a good job about this in general.
Ermz
¯\(°_o)/¯
How about To Bid You Farewell? Wouldn't that be considered an 'acoustic' song on par with their normal material?
I'm unsure whether its inability or choice that their mellow material sounds somewhat unlayered, repetitive and such, but for the most part I don't mind as it provides a good break in the action. Going through 10 minute progressive songs for a whole hour is daunting at times, and taking a little break with a little chorus-verse doodle is just nice...
I'm unsure whether its inability or choice that their mellow material sounds somewhat unlayered, repetitive and such, but for the most part I don't mind as it provides a good break in the action. Going through 10 minute progressive songs for a whole hour is daunting at times, and taking a little break with a little chorus-verse doodle is just nice...
Protected Witness
Magickal Theatre 33
I don't think there's anything wrong with a catchy song. People get all bent out of shape over the radio, and yes, that's because 97% of what they play is utter, horrid crap, but sometimes they play stuff that's catchy AND good.
Somehow, I don't see anything Opeth ever makes making radio unless you have a cool metal station that doesn't stick to any time formats. Of course, the number of those that exist in the world can probably be counted on two hands...
Rusty
A-HAHAHA!
If there's one thing I don't like about Benighted, it's the repeated riffs. Same with Harvest, Still Day, Patterns II, and to a lesser extent Credence. While the riffs themselves are very good, after I've heard them once (or maybe twice) in a song, I want to hear something different. I'm sure it would be possible to make the second verse in Benighted slightly different from the first (for example), but still keeping the overall feeling of the song the same. Despite that, I still think these songs are great and provide a nice break in the action, especially in the concept albums. I also think that a whole album of Credences or Benighteds would be boring, whereas a whole album of To Bid You Farewells would be much more like it. Although TBYF is not completely acoustic/clean, I think it could be placed in the same category as the others (if we had to do such a thing). TBYF is a progressing mellow song (I think mellow is the key word here, not acoustic), and the (almost) lack of repetition is what I'm looking for in Damnation.
I think that I've just repeated what some other people have already said, but I don't care.
I think that I've just repeated what some other people have already said, but I don't care.
opethpainter
the psychedelic servant
Poison Godmachine
Atheistic Existentialist
Zuh? Aside from the intro and outro credance has 2 parts, chorus and verse. Much fewer parts then Benighted and harvest.
BenMech
student of the d'eh
About Benighted:
Go listen to "Never Let Go" from the self-titled album by Camel.
They're very similar. Intentionally so
Go listen to "Never Let Go" from the self-titled album by Camel.
They're very similar. Intentionally so
DarkFifl
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Static
Manically depressed robot
ProgMetalFan
In the attic
City_of_da_Moon
All hail the tardo
hey YAYO!!!! can u please send links for ur songs....cos i got a new computer and lost ur songs along with the old one! please
thanx!
thanx!
