Biggest Sellout

who is the biggest sell-out?

  • Machine Head

    Votes: 7 16.3%
  • Hatebreed

    Votes: 2 4.7%
  • Metallica

    Votes: 34 79.1%

  • Total voters
    43
  • Poll closed .
swizzlenuts said:
I don't know... metallica does a damn good job making "hard rock" albums.... they make them catchy and entertaining....

Load,re-load were not bad for what they were. St.Anger on the other hand just plain out blows.
 
Dodens Grav said:
It depends on the reasoning, slick. If you don't like something because of what it doesn't sound like (i.e. "It's not Metal, it sucks), then it's stupid, but if you just don't like how it sounds, there's nothing stupid about not liking it.
exactly
 
Dodens Grav said:
It depends on the reasoning, slick. If you don't like something because of what it doesn't sound like (i.e. "It's not Metal, it sucks), then it's stupid, but if you just don't like how it sounds, there's nothing stupid about not liking it.

what i'm saying is, i could pretty much come up with at least a handful of acts i enjoy from any given genre. i enjoy at least one power metal band (blind guardian), but i find most similar bands to be sub-par artistically. it's not the "sound" i dislike, it's the general lack of orginality/creativity in it's practitioners. but if i heard a really amazing power band i wouldn't deny them on the basis of their chosen style. talent is talent no matter how it is expressed.

SO

saying "i dont like this kind of music" is stupid. there is no exuse for not enjoying a band that is good.

and "good" is not an opinion, it's a measurement of ability.

and so on.
 
Teh Grimarse said:
what i'm saying is, i could pretty much come up with at least a handful of acts i enjoy from any given genre. i enjoy at least one power metal band (blind guardian), but i find most similar bands to be sub-par artistically. it's not the "sound" i dislike, it's the general lack of orginality/creativity in it's practitioners. but if i heard a really amazing power band i wouldn't deny them on the basis of their chosen style. talent is talent no matter how it is expressed.

SO

saying "i dont like this kind of music" is stupid. there is no exuse for not enjoying a band that is good.

and "good" is not an opinion, it's a measurement of ability.

and so on.

Saying "I don't like this kind of music" isn't saying "I don't think this kind of music is good" if you're using "good" as a measurement of ability.
 
I, and many others, strongly disagree. Ability and quality are pretty distant cousins.
 
lol

Are you saying that if you know how to play your instrument, whatever you attempt to record will be quality?
 
oh, i see were aren't talking about exactly the same thing.

though proficiency at one's instrument is usually pretty key to defining ability, i would consider extensive knowledge of music or being an experienced performer to also equate to it (ability).
 
Not if you take into account that "theory" can and often will include a healthy appreciation of what is "unique" and what is, um, "not".

The reason most bands sound the same and are also crap is because they aren't trying to create anything, they're just immitating what they have heard before.

Theory knowledge allows someone writing a song to know how to keep the general "feel" of the style they are attempting, while augmenting it in some original way.
 
Theory doesn't allow someone to do anything. It gives them the capacity to do so if they can apply it. Which is why application is more important. You can, theoretically, have the ability to create the most unique and amazing album created, but that doesn't mean you can harness the proper theoretical elements into a single body of work through application.
 
Teh Grimarse said:
The reason most bands sound the same and are also crap is because they aren't trying to create anything, they're just immitating what they have heard before.

The most innovate and unique bands ever did not try to be that way, they just became like that. Sometimes they became like that by trying to play like their influences did, others by taking drugs etc etc.."musical theory" is overrated, it is the first thing that might put boundaries and rules and won't let the musician to present an expanded vision of what his inspiration dictates him. The thing is, if you have inspiration you rule, if you don't, you suck, that's it, no theories no special techniques etc.

By the way music is all about externalization of emotions, if you are successfull in that, you rock and your music will be loved by many.