Don´t get me wrong, I like the Joey-Songs with Joey singing very much, in fact I have grown up with them and am an old-school-Anthraxhead (it´s 20 years now...). What I was trying to say is, that I do not believe, that Joey will come back once more and at least since WCFYA I did not really miss him anymore, so as far as I am concerned, the Joey-era is over. I did NOT want to say, that it was not good. But the reunion was just going two steps back. It was fun, the concert here in Hamburg was great, but carrying on with it would have meant, that the whole John-stuff would just not exist anymore, cause - as I said - I do not believe, that Joey can sing "Sodium Pentathol, for example. Anthrax with John is NOT over yet, I hope. And as in my opinion, GOTE works out and John singing Joey-songs is great, re-recording the old stuff (the idea is not that seriuos anyway...) would be a clear statement, that there is only one Anthrax.
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Putihsom, "I do not believe, that Joey can sing "Sodium Pentathol, for example. Anthrax with John is NOT over yet, I hope. And as in my opinion, GOTE works out and John singing Joey-songs is great, re-recording the old stuff (the idea is not that seriuos anyway...) would be a clear statement, that there is only one Anthrax."
I kinda have to agree with you it's been about 20 yrs for me as well.
I think what did it for me inregards to joey's voice on record was the duet that he did with john for ball of confusion...
it did not sound that joey could hit the high notes and that was in "99"
On the other hand it would be interesting having joey sing on a new anthrax album but john always be the new improve pipes for anthrax.....
it's like comparing Paul di'anno and bruce dickinson towards a new maiden album..john is the version to anthrax as bruce is to maiden...
I kinda have to agree with you it's been about 20 yrs for me as well.
I think what did it for me inregards to joey's voice on record was the duet that he did with john for ball of confusion...
it did not sound that joey could hit the high notes and that was in "99"
On the other hand it would be interesting having joey sing on a new anthrax album but john always be the new improve pipes for anthrax.....
it's like comparing Paul di'anno and bruce dickinson towards a new maiden album..john is the version to anthrax as bruce is to maiden...
That´s just false. In my opinion GOTE showed that Bush is one-dimensional and - while a good and recognizable vocalist - not much of a real singer. The Belladonna tracks should have been left alone or saved for a live album (which already had been released with MOMD).
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To dbluntman: The Bruce/John/Paul/Joey thing isn't going to convince everybody... for instance, I disagree with your assessment. But I DO agree that Joey can't really hit the high stuff as well, and hasn't since... like... '92, to be honest. I do believe a new method of vocal practice is in order for Mr. Belladonna.
But I DO agree that Joey can't really hit the high stuff as well, and hasn't since... like... '92, to be honest. I do believe a new method of vocal practice is in order for Mr. Belladonna. John might be no Journey-Type-Vocalist, but I don´t think, one can say, he is not much of a singer. Might be a matter of taste. But due to the fact, that for most of the songs, no matter when they were recorded, Anthrax rather needs a shouter (They are a Metal Band, are they NOT?
) than a Journeyman (sorry for the cheap joke), this question may be not that important, anyway.
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.... so you're saying that bands that use singing singers aren't metal? That basically chops off a huge chunk of all the metal bands since the beginning. You don't gotta shout in a metal band. Or at least in my opinion.
And I'll say it once, and I'll probably have to say it again. JOEY DOES NOT SOUND LIKE STEVE PERRY. AT ALL. Lou Gramm? YES. NWOBHM-type-stuff? YES. Steve Perry? NO X 5. If you want me to elaborate, ask me to, 'cause I don't wanna get into a huge thing over it in one post.
That basically chops off a huge chunk of all the metal bands since the beginning. You don't gotta shout in a metal band. Or at least in my opinion.And I'll say it once, and I'll probably have to say it again. JOEY DOES NOT SOUND LIKE STEVE PERRY. AT ALL. Lou Gramm? YES. NWOBHM-type-stuff? YES. Steve Perry? NO X 5. If you want me to elaborate, ask me to, 'cause I don't wanna get into a huge thing over it in one post.
Good call, Meep, but you really wanna get me wrong, don't you? I'm far away from talking in absolutes. But listen to most of the Anthrax songs. They need a powerful voice, a "shouter". It´s powerful music, as metal is most of the time. Thats one of the things, that defines Metal. And I am not talking about Thrash-Metal, I´m talking about Metal in general. If you call Anthrax a "Thrash Band", which most people did in the 80s, my statement is even more true. But being a "shouter" doesn´t exclude being capable of singing, so what? Put it the other way around and you will get back to my starting point. John Bush is a hell of a "shouter", but he can sing as well (in my opinion at least). BUT, Joey is a "singer" in the first place, which fitted the songs of STD, ATL, SOE and POT (and it was one of the things that separated Anthrax from Bands like Metallica for example) (AND, it does NOT mean, that he is [or was] no "shouter", see below), but I kinda doubt, that he is able to sing ("shout") some of the songs of the John-Bush-Records, which are rather "shouty".
I did not and do not say, that bands that use singing singers are not Metal in general, but I doubt that I would call a band that "uses" only a "singing" singer "Metal". I´m not quite sure, which band you refer to, but I find it hard to imagine a "Metal"-Band with only "sung" lyrics, whatever that means.
I did not say that Joey sounds like Steve Perry either. But, correct me if I´m wrong, as far as I remember it from a report on Anthrax which I held in my music-lesson at school back in 1990 or something, Joey was mostly singing Journey-harmonies when he first met the Band after Neil Turbin quit.
And , back to the start, you do not want to tell me, that Joey "sings" all the lyrics on "his" Anthrax-albums, do you? Ever listened to "Madhouse", "Gung Ho", "Imitation Of Life", "One World", "Discharge"? I don´t know how you define the difference between a "shouter" and a "singer", but thats work for a "shouter" if you ask me (who does?).
I'm far away from talking in absolutes. But listen to most of the Anthrax songs. They need a powerful voice, a "shouter". It´s powerful music, as metal is most of the time. Thats one of the things, that defines Metal. And I am not talking about Thrash-Metal, I´m talking about Metal in general. If you call Anthrax a "Thrash Band", which most people did in the 80s, my statement is even more true. But being a "shouter" doesn´t exclude being capable of singing, so what? Put it the other way around and you will get back to my starting point. John Bush is a hell of a "shouter", but he can sing as well (in my opinion at least). BUT, Joey is a "singer" in the first place, which fitted the songs of STD, ATL, SOE and POT (and it was one of the things that separated Anthrax from Bands like Metallica for example) (AND, it does NOT mean, that he is [or was] no "shouter", see below), but I kinda doubt, that he is able to sing ("shout") some of the songs of the John-Bush-Records, which are rather "shouty".I did not and do not say, that bands that use singing singers are not Metal in general, but I doubt that I would call a band that "uses" only a "singing" singer "Metal". I´m not quite sure, which band you refer to, but I find it hard to imagine a "Metal"-Band with only "sung" lyrics, whatever that means.
I did not say that Joey sounds like Steve Perry either. But, correct me if I´m wrong, as far as I remember it from a report on Anthrax which I held in my music-lesson at school back in 1990 or something, Joey was mostly singing Journey-harmonies when he first met the Band after Neil Turbin quit.
And , back to the start, you do not want to tell me, that Joey "sings" all the lyrics on "his" Anthrax-albums, do you? Ever listened to "Madhouse", "Gung Ho", "Imitation Of Life", "One World", "Discharge"? I don´t know how you define the difference between a "shouter" and a "singer", but thats work for a "shouter" if you ask me (who does?).
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My first comment wasn't all that serious, don't worry. And the Steve Perry thing wasn't EXACTLY just for you; it was kinda in general, but you mentioned it, sooo.... yeah. I don't doubt that he sang Journey stuff, though, in the beginning. (I lol'd a little when I first heard about that, heh. But then again, he does live kinda in the middle of nowhere.) You're probably right that he couldn't sing all the John stuff, but he could definitely sing some stuff from SOWN, IMO. And last but not least, yep, I know Joey shouted stuff and that if John sang/shouted on THRASH stuff that was naturally on a lower key, I'd probably listen to "his" stuff as much as the old stuff or more. (Depending on my mood, of course.)
...Aight, I think I'm all set.
And the Steve Perry thing wasn't EXACTLY just for you; it was kinda in general, but you mentioned it, sooo.... yeah. I don't doubt that he sang Journey stuff, though, in the beginning. (I lol'd a little when I first heard about that, heh. But then again, he does live kinda in the middle of nowhere.) You're probably right that he couldn't sing all the John stuff, but he could definitely sing some stuff from SOWN, IMO. And last but not least, yep, I know Joey shouted stuff and that if John sang/shouted on THRASH stuff that was naturally on a lower key, I'd probably listen to "his" stuff as much as the old stuff or more. (Depending on my mood, of course.)...Aight, I think I'm all set.
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....in your opinion. Been a fan for 20 years and when I heard GOTE it was like going home. Like thats how those songe should have been from the start.
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Mr.Ju
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You obviously don't know how busy he is unlike Anthrax sitting on their asses again. I also hear that Joey B is in chicago sing on their new record. So Billy tells me..
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lol at catharsis's comment. BURN.
... To get back to the initial topic of the thread kind of....
My choices of singer for Anthrax (Mostly fantasy-would-never-happen stuff...)
-Bruce Hall (Agent Steel. Awesome singer, imo.)
-Oddleif Stensland (From a prog metal band called Communic. too bad he's from Norway. dammit...)
-Ty Cook (Ex-singer from prog-metal band Antithesis. Sounds like John Bush, kinda...)
The end. Yeah, I'm kind of digging speed/prog/power metal at the moment...
And WTF are you, Ju? Billy himself???
... To get back to the initial topic of the thread kind of....
My choices of singer for Anthrax (Mostly fantasy-would-never-happen stuff...)
-Bruce Hall (Agent Steel. Awesome singer, imo.)
-Oddleif Stensland (From a prog metal band called Communic. too bad he's from Norway. dammit...
)-Ty Cook (Ex-singer from prog-metal band Antithesis. Sounds like John Bush, kinda...)
The end. Yeah, I'm kind of digging speed/prog/power metal at the moment...
And WTF are you, Ju? Billy himself???
Mr.Ju
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lol at catharsis's comment. BURN.
... To get back to the initial topic of the thread kind of....
My choices of singer for Anthrax (Mostly fantasy-would-never-happen stuff...)
-Bruce Hall (Agent Steel. Awesome singer, imo.)
-Oddleif Stensland (From a prog metal band called Communic. too bad he's from Norway. dammit...
-Ty Cook (Ex-singer from prog-metal band Antithesis. Sounds like John Bush, kinda...)
The end. Yeah, I'm kind of digging speed/prog/power metal at the moment...
And WTF are you, Ju? Billy himself???
Good friends with Billy. Don't always agree with him but he is right. It has to be Joey or John. As an Anthrax fan I would like it to be Joey. If it's John no problem there. Just get a record done already damit!!!!!
But how could it be Joe, if he walked away from the band just - what? - 10 months ago?:Smug: Apparently something was disagreeing with him, why would he change his mind, and why should he even be considered as a potential participator?
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Right ?!?! I mean, if either JB are back in after all the bullshit and drama I think I woud be left a little sad. They have both been dissed and one of them multiple times. No matter what way it goes its just gonna feel fake and forced to me. Just my opiniom.
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not to busy to post shit about someone else's band though.
i love sod and mod but, get over it already. sometimes you just need to move on and walk away. it's like he broke up with his girlfriend and spent the next 10 years telling everybody what a bitch she is.
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I kinda feel the same way about the whole soap opera thing, but in my opinion it all comes down to the dollar and how mutual the situation was when JB left the band..If the seperation was not bad I do not see why scott and charlie shouldn't re-group and lets not forget Dan as well..