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She's still cute.
She's making it harder and harder these days though...
Vince Vaughn is a conservative, Kurt Russell is a libertarian.
What a dishonest and retarded thing to say.
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She's making it harder and harder these days though...
Vince Vaughn is a conservative, Kurt Russell is a libertarian.
What a dishonest and retarded thing to say.
Dishonest and retarded: making out that it matters or that people care what a bunch of actors think about things.
Not dishonest or retarded: pointing out that most of the press in the UK, arguably still the most influential source of information in the country, is right wing and not especially 'liberal' in the sense that everyone uses the word these days.
Not dishonest or retarded: pointing out that most of the press in the UK, arguably still the most influential source of information in the country, is right wing and not especially 'liberal' in the sense that everyone uses the word these days.
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When people talk about liberal biases in media, they're talking about officially bipartisan outlets that heavily lean left.
Nobody cares if an outlet says "we lean x" and then proceeds to lean x.
Also actors were brought up because it's a known fact that it's pretty hard to get work in media if you're a conservative or right leaning in anyway unless you want to work for specifically partisan media or on/for partisan film makers/television show makers.
Ben Shapiro wrote an entire book on this.
Nobody cares if an outlet says "we lean x" and then proceeds to lean x.
Also actors were brought up because it's a known fact that it's pretty hard to get work in media if you're a conservative or right leaning in anyway unless you want to work for specifically partisan media or on/for partisan film makers/television show makers.
Ben Shapiro wrote an entire book on this.
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There are less left leaning papers in the UK than right leaning papers. They have much lower readership than right leaning papers and they offer a more balanced coverage of most issues than any of the right leaning papers.
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You just want it to be bullshit.
Regarding the eu referendum:
Those that want to leave have been bitching and moaning that the BBC is biased in favour of staying in and yet it's been shown that over the past 15 years they've given more positive coverage to Putin and Assad than they have the EU.
If anything the BBC seems to have been bending over backwards to placate those that want to leave by making a show of taking their more ridiculous arguments seriously.
Regarding the eu referendum:
Those that want to leave have been bitching and moaning that the BBC is biased in favour of staying in and yet it's been shown that over the past 15 years they've given more positive coverage to Putin and Assad than they have the EU.
If anything the BBC seems to have been bending over backwards to placate those that want to leave by making a show of taking their more ridiculous arguments seriously.
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I'm not really a newspaper reader or expert so I wont get into the matter too much but I would say there has historically been a problem with socialist newspapers being able to get advertising space. However, like I pointed out, the Guardian seems to both have been set up to circumvent that kind of issue and also seems to have been totally accepted by the establishment anyway.
I'd be surprised if the hard left newspapers were particularly balanced. They exist anyway https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_left-wing_publications_in_the_United_Kingdom , although they probably aren't stocked in a lot of areas.
I'd be surprised if the hard left newspapers were particularly balanced. They exist anyway https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_left-wing_publications_in_the_United_Kingdom , although they probably aren't stocked in a lot of areas.
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the most left-leaning mainstream papers are generally targetting a more educated middle class demographic and so necessarily have to be more subtle, i'm not sure i'd call them that much more impartial though. right wing papers are way less nuanced and more sensationalistic because of who they're targeting, but that doesn't necessarily make their underlying positions less credible. personally i think all newspapers are full of shit and try not to let them influence my opinions one way or the other, either directly or indirectly.
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You just want it to be bullshit.
Regarding the eu referendum:
Those that want to leave have been bitching and moaning that the BBC is biased in favour of staying in and yet it's been shown that over the past 15 years they've given more positive coverage to Putin and Assad than they have the EU.
If anything the BBC seems to have been bending over backwards to placate those that want to leave by making a show of taking their more ridiculous arguments seriously.
What you mean is, they entertain opposing views in order to pretend to be bipartisan, that's what I've been saying from the start. Nobody cares about outlets that make no secret of which way they lean, the complaints about liberal biases in the media are directed at places like the BBC that pretend to be bipartisan when they quite clearly are not.
Who defines measures like "balance" in these graphs though?
It's funny, just the other day an old episode of The Big Bang Theory came on and Penny was wearing a pro Hillary Clinton sweater, no explanation, no episode showing that Penny or anybody has an interest in politics, it was just slipped in there. There are tons of these kinds of examples and they're pretty much what people mean about an unspoken liberal bias.
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It is a complex issue. For example, what exactly constitutes the middle ground, balance and the meaning of liberal or conservative are in no way fixed over time and what leads to them changing is probably contestable. Do the masses change their views organically, through the influence of the media or by being convinced by the accurately recorded speeches and actions of great men?
So I'm not sure what balance would mean, other than, for example, allowing all political parties access to the media, perhaps according to their share of the vote. Or, perhaps it would mean trying to make the media more of an open market place of ideas, so like a censorship free version of youtube.
So I'm not sure what balance would mean, other than, for example, allowing all political parties access to the media, perhaps according to their share of the vote. Or, perhaps it would mean trying to make the media more of an open market place of ideas, so like a censorship free version of youtube.
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Brexit: next step, listen to Manowar's "Hail To England" on repeat for an hour.
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Don't forget to listen to Cameron whimpering into his microphone over his authoritarian wet dreams lying in ruin this morning while you're at it.
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