Can the hiss from high amp/sims settings be COMPLETELY removed?

[AD Chaos]

HEllo

Been wondering about this for very very long (and how to ask it in a way that is understandable)

The obvious answer would be a noise gate, but because a gate opens as soon as you hit the strings, then is it really inevitable for that annoying hiss to become PART of the sound?
Or is there a way to kill it/eliminate it from the equation (or at least tame it to hell)

..without fucking up the tone, needless to say (ideally, without altering it's qualities)

Thanks

 

[viralz]

I created a thread a month ago about this issue, glad to see I'm not the only one with this problem. It only happens with amp sims for me though. When I use an external guitar preamp I don't have this problem.

 

[timislegend]

there are ways to reduce amp hiss (either re-tube or circuitry changes) but if your amp hisses... and your are recording the hiss there is no real solution that differs from surgical eq/ noise reduction software/ gates ...all of which will dramatically change your tone (probably for the worse). =\

that's just my 2¢ but i am sure are some serious scientists on here that could come up with something!

 

[FIXXXER]

lowpass?

haha, yeah it doesn't work that good, i start at 12k and move slowly to 11,10 etc.
it sounds fizzy, fizzy, fizzy and then it sounds dull , seems there is nothing in between

cheers
S.

 

[AD Chaos]

^ X30 before Boogex, for example

 

[TheTrevorStrain]

Have you guys tried the Dan Korneff/David Bendeth low-pass technique? I'm sure it's used a lot, but I call it that because that's who I learned it from on Gearslutz...

Straight from Korneff's mouth/account/internet-alias on gearslutz.com:

-Do you lowpass?
"yup. usually on guitars... probably up around 5-6K"

He works with Bendeth a lot if I'm not mistaken and I think they worked on Breaking Benjamin's last album together, which had stupidly good guitar tone.

At first I thought that was a super low frequency to pass it at... but someone else did too and he responded:

Quote:
Originally Posted by AlbatrossAudio
"wow low pass on guitars. everyone seems to be pumping the eq up on guitars in the 5-6k range."
Korneff: "The speaker response of the average celestion is about 55hz-5k. There will be some harmonics that get into the 8K range, so I pop on a 6dB per octave low pass which starts at 5k and drops off just after the 8k mark. that leaves the brightness of the guitar and cuts out the noise and annoying fizz in the 11k area."

So there you have it... worth a shot!

 

[AD Chaos]

I'm talking about hiss, not fizz. Different subject

Interesting info, anyways

 

[Zozobra]

This may just be a madcap scheme that probably wont work any better than a noise filter

But

Have you tried taking a recording of just the noise, then playing that back over the top of the guitar track phase reversed? In theory just the noise part should cancel out from the tone and what youre left with will no doubt sound different, but will be what the tone 'really' is. In. Theory.

I generally find that the guitar sound drowns out noise quite satisfactorily, but that might work.

 

[FIXXXER]

I'm talking about hiss, not fizz. Different subject

Interesting info, anyways

damn, my trusted german/english online
dictionary tells me that hiss/fizz is the same

so what's the difference?

 

[JeffTD]

Fizz is exaggeration in the top end (Rectifier is fizzy compared to a Mark IV, aka opposite of smooth top end).

Hiss is the 'white noise' style crap that comes through when you crank the gain but aren't playing anything through the amp; it could/does happen even when nothing is plugged into the amp.


Honestly, I've never, ever found it to be an issue. Yes, I know it's there, but it's so low that it's not an issue and might even be part of the tone itself. Do you really have issues with it coming through in the playing?

 

[VWAS2009]

Isp decimator = silent anything... Or manuay cut out after ever note typically thats what i do

 

[if6was9]

Honestly, I've never, ever found it to be an issue. Yes, I know it's there, but it's so low that it's not an issue and might even be part of the tone itself. Do you really have issues with it coming through in the playing?

Yeah same here, never had it be a problem. Even some of my amps which are noisier than most it's a non issue when stuff is playing. I manually clean up all the stops and such aswell so it's not gonna be an issue when the guitar isn't playing.

 

[ahjteam]

On the video I used Guitar -> NS-2 loop -> TS9 and MT2 -> computer -> eq -> cabsim

If it doesn't work for you, use serial gating.

 

[A_Wallace]

Isp decimator

Simply the best! I have the rack unit and it's worth every penny. No more hiss and it doesn't kill your tone.

 

[smy1]

Yea. Manual editing is the fix. I do like the Sonalksis gate plugin a lot, though.

 

[koalamo]

Well assuming the hiss dissappears when you actually start playing which it should just put a vst noise gate as an insert on the guitar track this way you don't hear it when your recording and you can just take it off afterward without it effecting any of your tone then you just have to go back and manually cut the silence out

 

[CAlexanderParra]

In a full mix you will definitely not hear a lot of the "hiss" on the guitar tracks so don't worry about it. If it's ridiculously noticeable there maybe something wrong with your signal instead.

 

[MindMunch]

You can cut it with FFT EQ, like ReaFir (comes with Reaper). Personally I only use this when I have a bad mic'ed source with way too much noise.
Go to a section where there´s only the hiss, put it on Subtract mode, check the "automatic build noise profile" box, play the part for the plugin capture the frequencies, stop, mess around with the edit mode and FFT size to see what fits best to your case. Beware that it may produce artifacts and it will change the whole sound. There are no miracles, but sometimes the tradeoff worthes.

 

[nwright]

Fizz is exaggeration in the top end (Rectifier is fizzy compared to a Mark IV, aka opposite of smooth top end).

Hiss is the 'white noise' style crap that comes through when you crank the gain but aren't playing anything through the amp; it could/does happen even when nothing is plugged into the amp.


Honestly, I've never, ever found it to be an issue. Yes, I know it's there, but it's so low that it's not an issue and might even be part of the tone itself. Do you really have issues with it coming through in the playing?

+1

I look at the hiss as the noise floor of the amp...Once you start playing, and you are louder than the noise floor, there is no problem.

if the hiss is THAT bad, maybe you should turn down the gain and hit the strings harder

 

[allplaydead]

Fizz can nearly always be solved by a massive surgical cut at 4000 before the impulse.

Hiss is a different matter