Carcass - Death or Grindcore

[Stormwatch]

Okay, everyone knows the story - the Carcass album "Necroticism" is a grindcore classic. But there's always arguments about whether "Heartwork" is grindcore or death metal. I can't see much difference between the two albums myself, so to me they're grindcore. But, could someone explain to me how one is grind and the other isn't? What's the difference?

 

[Hammer of Might]

I'm not 100% sure what the definition of grindcore is anyway, so if anyone could let me know, I'd be able to talk about it more!

 

[dill_the_devil]

Personally, I thought Necroticism was a lot closer to death metal than grindcore myself. The song structures and riffage were more considered and they took their foot off the gas a bit on that album. I reckon the only grindcore albums Carcass did were Reek Of Putrefaction and Symphonies Of Sickness. As for the question, though - compare the title track from Heartwork to, for instance, A Welcome Breeze Of Stinking Air by Nasum, I Will Nail You In by Abaddon Incarnate, or even anything by Rotten Sound. That's the difference between that album and grindcore, right there.

 

[Flaming Death]

I think Heartwork is Death Metal

 

[Dev]

After 'Symphonies...' it's called Death before it's Grind

 

[Necro Joe]

1st two: Grindcore.
Necrotisicm: Death metal.
Heartwork: Melodic death metal.
Swansong: Heavy metal.

If you think NDTI is Grindcore you don't know what the term means.

 

[Life Sucks]

The Reek Of Putrefaction and Symphonies Of Sickness are goregrind; grindcore with gore lyrics. Necroticism and Hearthwork are melodic death metal, and Swansong is not death metal; hardly even metal.

 

[Necro Joe]

Necroticism is just straight up death metal, not melo-death.

 

[Life Sucks]

Necroticism is just straight up death metal, not melo-death.

You think? It doesn't resemble the Gothenburg melo-death sound like Heartwork kind of does, but it is still melodic death metal to me, and not straight up blasting brutal death.

 

[Necro Joe]

Death metal does not have to be blasting and brutal, bands like Dismember, Necrophobic and Atheist didn't use excessive speed and no one ever calls them melodic death metal. Necrotisicm is catchy and has great melodic leads but it is still just straight up death. Even MA didn't use blasting all the time.

 

[Profanity]

1st two: Grindcore.
Necrotisicm: Death metal.
Heartwork: Melodic death metal.
Swansong: Heavy metal.

If you think NDTI is Grindcore you don't know what the term means.

Wrong!

Swansong is Death Metal.

 

[Necro Joe]

Not by my reckoning, it could be called heavy metal with death metal influences but they left the sytle in ernest behind after Heartwork.

 

[Rottuated]

Heartwork has more of a death metal feel to it.

 

[ffanatic]

Pre-Heartwork Carcass=Grindcore
Post-Heartwork Carcass=Death Metal

 

[Life Sucks]

Pre-Heartwork Carcass=Grindcore
Post-Heartwork Carcass=Death Metal

I definitely wouldn't call Swan Song death metal.

 

[Stormwatch]

Yes, but no ones'a answered the question. If Necroticism is grind, how come Heartwork isn't, when it sounds very much the same????

 

[Neurotic]

1st two: Grindcore.
Necrotisicm: Death metal.
Heartwork: Melodic death metal.
Swansong: Heavy metal.

If you think NDTI is Grindcore you don't know what the term means.

i agree, still necro has grind in it, but yes its death

 

[Celestial-Voyage]

necroticism=grindcore? you got it all wrong.

Reek of Putrefaction yeah but not necroticism.

Necro may have some of those grind elements. I'd say it's Death metal with the melodic aproach they were experimenting with.

 

[NAD]

Carcass is rot n' roll.

 

[Noctivagus]

I'm not a genre expert, but I agree that Necroticism isn't a grind album. The songs are longer and more structured like death metal, and you can clearly hear the difference if you compare it to their first album. Their first two albums had the most grind, but with each album it seems like they went with a more melodic/death metal approach and lost the grind parts. I don't think Swansong is quite death metal... the vocals are still rough, but not quite so deep and growled, and the music has more of a rock influence than anything they previously did. Maybe "death rock".