Cythraul
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Christians suck; world still turns
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AchrisK
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How 'bout we drop this? I appreciate vihris-gari's sentiments on my behalf, but really it didn't need to go anywhere past myself and Oz, and didn't even need to go as far as it did there. But whatever, it's all fine.
Cythraul
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AchrisK
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Dak
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Look who's fucking talking. Your piss poor reading comprehension is going to lead to a lot of foot-in-mouth situations for you my friend. No, its not about the citizenship, its about shifting your definitions to remain right regardless of the facts. Which is not what I am doing.No, you don't need to "regularly attend church" but that is a pretty fair benchmark as opposed to asking 50000 random people questions with un-verified answers and than multiplying the results over 4000 times.(Survey Methodology)
Still missing the point. Bottom line is don't use surveys. Like if you wanted to find out how many people have Sams Club memberships you dont poll for the information, just go to the Sams Club HQ and get the information. Its accurate, something surveys can never be.
Again, look who is fucking talking. I don't care enough to do the digging for the evidence to prove the survey is wrong, the fact that it is a survey (Survey Methodology) (again) should be enough. And I have already answered what that fallacy is, which is not what you claim. Piss poor reading comprehension.
The fallacy:
I will break this down Barney-style for you since that is apparently is what it's going to take.Being a Scotsman is fixed. Legal resident of Scotland. The arguer in this case instead picks an abstract definition with nothing concrete to stand on. It's purely based on his opinion whether a person is a "true Scotsman".
Now in our case, Dodens wants to use data like this :
as a definition of what constitutes a "Christian" as well as the survey results from Here. I am claiming use church attendance records to prove it, or at least membership rolls (which do still have potentially large accuracy problems that I listed before).
I am not shifting the line, I'm calling bullshit on your method of definition because it is exactly that. Surveys are Bullshit. The fact that I had to explain why surveys are useless for proving a point shows you are seriously lacking in any kind of discernment.
Thank you, STFU, and sit down.
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Surveys are bullshit? You are so fucking clueless that it's truly laughable. And everybody here is laughing at you. Which makes it even more funny when you come storming out of the gate on your high fucking horse of stupidity. Surveys have demonstrated time and again their marginally representational function, and are undoubtedly useful. If we used your method of determining how many people in the US believe in a higher power, then that would leave out EVERY SINGLE FUCKING PERSON IN AMERICA WHO BELIEVES IN A HIGHER POWER BUT DOES NOT ATTEND CHURCH. Random samplings are generally fairly accurate. No, they are not 100% precise. But claiming that "surveys are bullshit" just shows how embarrassingly stupid you are. Who the fuck are you, anyway? Why the hell do you think you know shit when you obviously don't? Seriously, get the fuck out of here, you're worthless, know nothing, and are a fucking detriment to the mental health of the entire forum.
Dak
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I really don't give a shit who is laughing if they are as ignorant as you.
Did I ever argue that 90% of America didn't believe in a higher power? No. I said
I have already explained the problems with surveys, and if you don't see them as problems then keep "laughing" and telling me to "fuck <fill in blank> fucking stupid <fill in the blank>. I really don't give a shit because you are blind beyond help.
Did I ever argue that 90% of America didn't believe in a higher power? No. I said
You fail.
Completely impossible to prove. Fail.
I have already explained the problems with surveys, and if you don't see them as problems then keep "laughing" and telling me to "fuck <fill in blank> fucking stupid <fill in the blank>. I really don't give a shit because you are blind beyond help.
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First of all, I never fucking said that believing in a higher power and embracing a religion are the same thing. Also, I fail to see where you explained why surveys are bullshit, but I really hope that you do so, because I'd love to fucking hear it. Explain to me why the survey that I linked to is LYING about how many Christians there are (estimatedly) in this country. Again, your method completely ignores every single Christian who doesn't attend church. In order for your method to not be completely fucking stupid, your definition of being a Christian would have to include attending a church, or at least being a member of a church. Defend your position for once. Explain to me how "surveys are bullshit" and why it's not stupid to determine, estimatedly, how many Christians are in the US by counting every person on every church roster across the country.
Also, what point are you arguing anyway? That the majority of the country is not Christian?
Ben_t
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Actually it would be very easy to prove if surveys are mostly accurate in their predictions or representations of a situation.
Very simple statistics could be used for that...
AchrisK
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This past Sunday my pastor got all political on us. He said that, come day after the election, whoever ends up with the presidency, the leaders of the church will pray for them regularly, to have the wisdom to lead the country.
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AchrisK
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...not the point. Plus, just because something doesn't seem good, doesn't mean it isn't working together in a larger plan.
Thoth-Amon
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True. If millions didn't die every year from the malarial parasite that God intelligently designed just think how much worse our overpopulation problem would be!
zabu of nΩd
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No, but presuming that every apparent problem we have happens for a good reason instead of actually addressing the problem is a pretty stupid and dangerous thing to do.
If North Korea suddenly took over the entire world and Kim Jong Il made us all worship him as a god on penalty of death like he does with his current subjects, would you just write that off as "part of God's plan"? I don't see how you could ever legitimately use that kind of wishful thinking to explain anything bad that happens in the world.
False Joe
Who cares.
Watching The Last Temptation of Christ last night made me think about Christianity as a whole.It's fucking awesome that fiction got so big
AchrisK
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I am not saying that bad things aren't bad, and that the reasons they happen aren't bad. I do not write off everything bad that happens as "God's will". I only try to trust God and ask for help in the midst of it and thank him for what I have. I don't know what his plans might be or how different events are part of them or work together to whatever outcomes. I do believe he is not as concerned with our personal comfort as we think he should be.
All I was pointing out was that the bible says to pray for your leaders, and that's the extent of the political agenda my pastor is going to speak to the church. He is not even saying who he is voting for. It's in line with the original subject matter of this thread, which is why I brought it up.
All I was pointing out was that the bible says to pray for your leaders, and that's the extent of the political agenda my pastor is going to speak to the church. He is not even saying who he is voting for. It's in line with the original subject matter of this thread, which is why I brought it up.
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